Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:52:05 -0400, "Brian F. Feldman" wrote: > Direct veto by core member (Jordan) prevents this. I really think it > should be in libcompat, the more I consider every option. Regardless of what Jordan says, you should do your best to put it where most other folks put it. Other

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Jamie Howard wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > Close, but what I said was more along the lines that following NetBSD's > > footsteps on issues relating to portability is _seldom_ a bad idea. > > I was close enough that you know the exact quote so I thi

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Jamie Howard
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > Close, but what I said was more along the lines that following NetBSD's > footsteps on issues relating to portability is _seldom_ a bad idea. I was close enough that you know the exact quote so I think I did alright. Back to the point, just stick it in

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:52:05 -0400, "Brian F. Feldman" wrote: > Direct veto by core member (Jordan) prevents this. I really think it > should be in libcompat, the more I consider every option. Regardless of what Jordan says, you should do your best to put it where most other folks put it. Othe

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Jamie Howard wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > Close, but what I said was more along the lines that following NetBSD's > > footsteps on issues relating to portability is _seldom_ a bad idea. > > I was close enough that you know the exact quote so I th

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:16:09 -0400, Jamie Howard wrote: > I saw someone say that anything NetBSD did in the name of portability must > be right (in the test thread). :) Close, but what I said was more along the lines that following NetBSD's footsteps on issues relating to portability is _seldo

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Jamie Howard
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > Close, but what I said was more along the lines that following NetBSD's > footsteps on issues relating to portability is _seldom_ a bad idea. I was close enough that you know the exact quote so I think I did alright. Back to the point, just stick it i

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:16:09 -0400, Jamie Howard wrote: > I saw someone say that anything NetBSD did in the name of portability must > be right (in the test thread). :) Close, but what I said was more along the lines that following NetBSD's footsteps on issues relating to portability is _seld

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Jamie Howard
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Jamie Howard wrote: > How would those functions which also exist in libc (or possibly other > libraries, I don't know) be handled? Just following up to myself here, NetBSD has a getopt_long() in libc ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-current/src/lib/libc/stdlib/ I saw

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-13 Thread Jamie Howard
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Jamie Howard wrote: > How would those functions which also exist in libc (or possibly other > libraries, I don't know) be handled? Just following up to myself here, NetBSD has a getopt_long() in libc ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-current/src/lib/libc/stdlib/ I saw

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 02:21:11PM -0400, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > > > I don't care if most of the > > directories called "gnu" in the current tree contain GPLd code. How > > I had to read your message ab

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 02:21:11PM -0400, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > > > I don't care if most of the > > directories called "gnu" in the current tree contain GPLd code. How > > I had to read your message a

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Jamie Howard
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > src/lib/libgnucompat seems to be the best suggestion so far. I wonder > where the line between libgnucompat and libfreebsdextension is, > though. I've only been active here a few weeks but I've grown used to the "go ahead and do it" I know I'm about t

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 02:21:11PM -0400, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > I don't care if most of the > directories called "gnu" in the current tree contain GPLd code. How I had to read your message about 4 or 5 times before I realized that "Oh, the ``gnu''

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Jamie Howard
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > src/lib/libgnucompat seems to be the best suggestion so far. I wonder > where the line between libgnucompat and libfreebsdextension is, > though. I've only been active here a few weeks but I've grown used to the "go ahead and do it" I know I'm about

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 02:21:11PM -0400, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > I don't care if most of the > directories called "gnu" in the current tree contain GPLd code. How I had to read your message about 4 or 5 times before I realized that "Oh, the ``gnu'

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under > libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other > directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. > Just stick it into libcompat. How about libcompat/gnuish? (F

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under > libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other > directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. > Just stick it into libcompat. How about libcompat/gnuish? (

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Nate Williams
> : There > : is simply no reason to assume that anything under a gnu directory is GPLd, > : or that anything GPLd is going to be under a gnu directory (which it's not.) > > I'm afraid there is. It has been stated many times in the past that > all GPL'd software resides under gnu. This is true i

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Warner Losh
In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : There : is simply no reason to assume that anything under a gnu directory is GPLd, : or that anything GPLd is going to be under a gnu directory (which it's not.) I'm afraid there is. It has been stated many times in the past that all GPL'd software reside

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > That doesn't fit with the current organization. > > > > Choose: > > a. fsf > > b. gnu > > c. glibc > d. other > > src/lib/libcompat/{fsf,gnu,glibc} connotes GPL code. > > src/lib/libcompat/other allows SysV, Solaris, Linux, etc.

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Nate Williams
> : There > : is simply no reason to assume that anything under a gnu directory is GPLd, > : or that anything GPLd is going to be under a gnu directory (which it's not.) > > I'm afraid there is. It has been stated many times in the past that > all GPL'd software resides under gnu. This is true

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : There : is simply no reason to assume that anything under a gnu directory is GPLd, : or that anything GPLd is going to be under a gnu directory (which it's not.) I'm afraid there is. It has been stated many times in the past that all G

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > That doesn't fit with the current organization. > > > > Choose: > > a. fsf > > b. gnu > > c. glibc > d. other > > src/lib/libcompat/{fsf,gnu,glibc} connotes GPL code. > > src/lib/libcompat/other allows SysV, Solaris, Linux, etc.

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Steve Kargl
Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under > > libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other > > directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. > > Just stick it into libcompat. > > That doesn't fi

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > I hate the GPL. It has too many different interpretations. Look at > the currentsituation with Linux: Linus says loadable drivers in Linux > aren't covered by the GPL, while Stallman insists that they are. Its > interpretation is open to too many variab

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Warner Losh
In message <199908121632.jaa26...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Steve Kargl writes: : If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under : libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other : directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. : Just stick it into libcompat. Or libiberty :-)

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > > If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under > libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other > directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. > Just stick it into libcompat. That doesn't fit with the current organization. Choose:

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Steve Kargl
Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > > > In message > > "Brian F. Feldman" writes: > > : What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in > > src/lib/libcompat? > > : Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > > : I am volunt

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Steve Kargl
Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under > > libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other > > directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. > > Just stick it into libcompat. > > That doesn't f

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > I hate the GPL. It has too many different interpretations. Look at > the currentsituation with Linux: Linus says loadable drivers in Linux > aren't covered by the GPL, while Stallman insists that they are. Its > interpretation is open to too many varia

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Kargl writes: : If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under : libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other : directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. : Just stick it into libcompat. Or libiberty :-) That way we can have a GPL-free

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > > If you're writing unencumbered code, placing it under > libcompat/gnu may lead to confusion because all other > directory paths containing gnu contain GPL'd code. > Just stick it into libcompat. That doesn't fit with the current organization. Choose

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Steve Kargl
Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. >Feldman" writes: > > : What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > > : Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > > :

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message > "Brian F. Feldman" writes: > : What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > : Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > : I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. >Feldman" writes: > : What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > : Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > : I am volunteering to write it...) w

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Ville-Pertti Keinonen
ch...@calldei.com (Chris Costello) writes: >I'm in favor of a libgnucompat rather than gnu functions in > libcompat. And how would a libgnucompat be different from libiberty? Except of course that it would be maintained by the FreeBSD folks... Or that it would be maintained at all. ;--)

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-12 Thread Ville-Pertti Keinonen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello) writes: >I'm in favor of a libgnucompat rather than gnu functions in > libcompat. And how would a libgnucompat be different from libiberty? Except of course that it would be maintained by the FreeBSD folks... Or that it would be maintained at all. ;--)

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? : Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, : I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and all sorts of lame : GNU libc cruft that we can try

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? : Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, : I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and all sorts of lame : GNU libc cr

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-11 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Aug 11, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and all sorts of lame > GNU libc cruft that we ca

RE: libcompat proposition

1999-08-11 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 12-Aug-99 Brian F. Feldman wrote: > What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and all sorts of lame > GNU libc cruft that we can tr

Re: libcompat proposition

1999-08-11 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Aug 11, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and all sorts of lame > GNU libc cruft that we c

RE: libcompat proposition

1999-08-11 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 12-Aug-99 Brian F. Feldman wrote: > What do you all think about growing a gnu subdirectory in src/lib/libcompat? > Things like a getopt_long implementation (yes, if it will be accepted, > I am volunteering to write it...) would go there, and all sorts of lame > GNU libc cruft that we can t