Hi,
Bruce Cran wrote:
No, Apple _does_ invest the money and time to create an x86 port:
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
That is only the kernel and command-line utilities, there's no GUI
included. http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/arch_xnu.html provides a
good overview of the ke
Hi,
Sean Winn wrote:
Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Apple will not invest it, I wonder.
Darwin has been available for x86 since at least version 1.3.1
(possibly earlier, but that's the ISO on opendarwin.org)
Sorry, I'm somewhat stranger about Darwin.
Eitarou
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On 3 Jul 2004, at 10:05, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Hi John and all,
John Von Essen wrote:
Since OPENSTEP kernel had an x86 port, its not to far off to conclude
that darwin could be run on x86 - but I think all the x86 talk was
just hypothetical - would only happen in real life if some hardcore
coders
Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Hi John and all,
John Von Essen wrote:
Since OPENSTEP kernel had an x86 port, its not to far off to conclude
that darwin could be run on x86 - but I think all the x86 talk was
just hypothetical - would only happen in real life if some hardcore
coders had alot of spare time on
Hi John and all,
John Von Essen wrote:
Since OPENSTEP kernel had an x86 port, its not to far off to conclude
that darwin could be run on x86 - but I think all the x86 talk was
just hypothetical - would only happen in real life if some hardcore
coders had alot of spare time on their hands...
Appl
I think when I originally started this thread it had to do with
confusion concerning what constitutes current OS X. I know rhapsody
started with heavy OPENSTEP 4.2 influence, but it seems that some major
changes have occurred since rhapsody/10.0 and current 10.3. The
OPENSTEP stuff gave the
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:01:49PM +0200, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> * MacOS X is based on FreeBSD
> * there is a x86 kernel for FreeBSD
>
> Does that mean I can buy a copy of MacOS X, download an x86 kernel for
> freeBSD, do some (or quite alot of) hacking and then get MacOS X running
> on
On 02/07/2004, at 5:29 AM, Justin Walker wrote:
On Jun 30, 2004, at 23:33, Q wrote:
Darwin still uses a Mach kernel design, although Apple has made some
significant modifications to its implementation to reduce message
passing overhead and latency etc, making it something of a hybrid and
no l
HI Justin,
Justin Walker wrote:
On Jul 1, 2004, at 5:28, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Darwin, as the underpinnings for Mac OS X, is entirely open source, in
the sense that you can build a running Darwin system from the
open-source code available from Apple. You can't completely replace
corresponding com
On Jun 30, 2004, at 23:33, Q wrote:
On 30/06/2004, at 4:40 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote:
On 30. Jun 2004, at 3:01, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
[snip]
Darwin still uses a Mach kernel design, although Apple has made some
significant modifications to its implementation to reduce message
passing overhead and
On Jul 1, 2004, at 5:28, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Hi Q and all,
Q wrote:
The portions of the FreeBSD kernel that Apple have adopted can be
found as part of the XNU project (the darwin kernel) from Apple's
Opensource website
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
The CVS tags should still be int
On Jul 1, 2004, at 7:27, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Hi Q,
Q wrote:
My curiosity is that the FreeBSD and NetBSD license are left.
And should those licenses are kept after porting?
Yes the original license and copyright notices are all kept intact,
it's one of the requirements of virtually every opensource
Hi Q,
Q wrote:
My curiosity is that the FreeBSD and NetBSD license are left.
And should those licenses are kept after porting?
Yes the original license and copyright notices are all kept intact,
it's one of the requirements of virtually every opensource license. To
remove them would be a violat
On 01/07/2004, at 10:45 PM, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
Some of the things that have been adopted from FreeBSD/NetBSD in the
Darwin kernel include:
Crypto support
Filesystem support for CD9660, DEVFS, NFS, VFS, MEMDEV (Curiously
this doesn't include UFS/FFS support)
IP & IPV6 TCP stack support including
Hi all,
This is just correction of previous post.
Eitarou Kamo wrote:
#if 0
My curiosity is that the FreeBSD and NetBSD license are left.
And should those licenses are kept after porting?
#else
My curiosity is if the FreeBSD and NetBSD license are left.
And should those licenses are kept after port
Hi Chris and all,
Chris Zumbrunn wrote:
Some of the things that have been adopted from FreeBSD/NetBSD in the
Darwin kernel include:
Crypto support
Filesystem support for CD9660, DEVFS, NFS, VFS, MEMDEV (Curiously
this doesn't include UFS/FFS support)
IP & IPV6 TCP stack support including BPF &
Hi Q and all,
Q wrote:
The portions of the FreeBSD kernel that Apple have adopted can be
found as part of the XNU project (the darwin kernel) from Apple's
Opensource website
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
The CVS tags should still be intact on the files in question.
Is the darwin
On 1. Jul 2004, at 8:33, Q wrote:
On 30/06/2004, at 4:40 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote:
On 30. Jun 2004, at 3:01, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
While Mach is derived from 4.3BSD (circa 1986~1988), there's been
about
15 years worth of divergence since then. For example, FreeBSD is
monolithic while Mach is mor
On 30/06/2004, at 4:40 PM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote:
On 30. Jun 2004, at 3:01, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
While Mach is derived from 4.3BSD (circa 1986~1988), there's been
about
15 years worth of divergence since then. For example, FreeBSD is
monolithic while Mach is more micro-kernel based. Also the dri
On 30. Jun 2004, at 3:01, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
While Mach is derived from 4.3BSD (circa 1986~1988), there's been about
15 years worth of divergence since then. For example, FreeBSD is
monolithic while Mach is more micro-kernel based. Also the driver
models
are quite different, eg Darwin uses IO
Lucas wrote:
> Here's an idea.. install FreeBSD 5.2.1 and use the ports collection to
> get PearPC. Then you can get a license to OSX and run it.
>
> I read the hardware support list, and sound doesn't even work yet in
> pearpc. It might be more beneficial to buy a used Mac. I have a
> Fre
Hi,
Martin Olsson wrote:
Hi,
* MacOS X is based on FreeBSD
* there is a x86 kernel for FreeBSD
Does that mean I can buy a copy of MacOS X, download an x86 kernel for
freeBSD, do some (or quite alot of) hacking and then get MacOS X running
on my PC?
take a look at the Darwin project.
I realize th
In the last episode (Jun 29), zera holladay said:
> > Even more interestingly, just how much code has migrated from
> > Darwin to FreeBSD? Apple seems to do a lot of taking from the Open
> > Source community, how much have we taken much back?
>
> I was wondering about this ... there was a thread n
> Even more interestingly, just how much code has
> migrated from Darwin to
> FreeBSD? Apple seems to do a lot of taking from the
> Open Source
> community, how much have we taken much back?
I was wondering about this ... there was a thread not
too long ago about Darwin and FreeBSD. Somebody made
Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 21:20, Lev Walkin wrote:
MacOS X is based on multiple concepts, including
Darwin. Darwin is based on FreeBSD.
"Darwin is based on FreeBSD" - technically, no :)
Darwin is a continuation of NeXT Step which is based on the Mach kernel.
While Mach is deri
Hi Alasdair,
Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
>>On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 03:24, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
Any idea?
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.daemonnews.org/200010/darwin.html
>>
>>
>
>
I see.
Eit
I have pearpc installed from ports. I'm having trouble installing
10.1. In fact, i can't seem to get the cd to even boot at this point.
Lucas Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FoolishGames.com (Jewel Fan Site)
JustJournal.com (Free blogging)
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On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 03:24, Eitarou Kamo wrote:
> Julian Elischer wrote:
> >There are bits of FreeBSD in the kernel..
> >the majority of the importing has been in the userland however where
> >the UNIX userland is mostly based on FreeBSD (or so I'm told)
>
> There seem to be some stories about Mac
Hi Julian or guys,
Julian Elischer wrote:
There are bits of FreeBSD in the kernel..
the majority of the importing has been in the userland however where
the UNIX userland is mostly based on FreeBSD (or so I'm told)
There seem to be some stories about Mac X.
I have read the article which menti
Here's an idea.. install FreeBSD 5.2.1 and use the ports collection to
get PearPC. Then you can get a license to OSX and run it.
I read the hardware support list, and sound doesn't even work yet in
pearpc. It might be more beneficial to buy a used Mac. I have a
FreeBSD desktop and an Ibook.
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 21:20, Lev Walkin wrote:
> > MacOS X is based on multiple concepts, including
> > Darwin. Darwin is based on FreeBSD.
>
>
> "Darwin is based on FreeBSD" - technically, no :)
>
> Darwin is a continuation of NeXT Step which is
On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 21:20, Lev Walkin wrote:
> MacOS X is based on multiple concepts, including
> Darwin. Darwin is based on FreeBSD.
"Darwin is based on FreeBSD" - technically, no :)
Darwin is a continuation of NeXT Step which is based on the Mach kernel.
While Mach is derived from 4.3BSD (c
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:01:49PM +0200, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> * MacOS X is based on FreeBSD
> * there is a x86 kernel for FreeBSD
And a lot of other sources too. Not a drop-in replacement.
You can Run Mac OS X or Darwin/PPC on FreeBSD w/ PearPC
( http://pearpc.sf.net ). And it's pre
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:01:49PM +0200, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> * MacOS X is based on FreeBSD
> * there is a x86 kernel for FreeBSD
>
> Does that mean I can buy a copy of MacOS X, download an x86 kernel for
> freeBSD, do some (or quite alot of) hacking and then get MacOS X running
> on
Martin Olsson wrote:
Hi,
* MacOS X is based on FreeBSD
* there is a x86 kernel for FreeBSD
Does that mean I can buy a copy of MacOS X, download an x86 kernel for
freeBSD, do some (or quite alot of) hacking and then get MacOS X running
on my PC?
I realize that such hacking would be quite substant
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Martin Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Does that mean I can buy a copy of MacOS X, download an x86 kernel for
: freeBSD, do some (or quite alot of) hacking and then get MacOS X running
: on my PC?
No. MacOS X is for PowerPC, not Intel. Also, the
Hi,
* MacOS X is based on FreeBSD
* there is a x86 kernel for FreeBSD
Does that mean I can buy a copy of MacOS X, download an x86 kernel for
freeBSD, do some (or quite alot of) hacking and then get MacOS X running
on my PC?
I realize that such hacking would be quite substantial but maybe if I
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