Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/14/12 22:24, Alexander Kabaev wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:00:18 -0400 Richard Yao >> wrote: >> >> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >>> On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexan

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/12 22:24, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:00:18 -0400 Richard Yao > wrote: > > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > >> On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexander Kabaev wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 Richard

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

Hi, 9 will mature as people use it and report bugs/regressions. It would be really great if you could try some of your workload on -9 and provide feedback and file PRs. Engaging with the community (and hiring developers :) is by far the best way to get things to mature quickly. 2c, Adrian ___

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:00:18 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 > > Richard Yao wrote: > > > >> NetBSD has replacements

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 > Richard Yao wrote: > >> NetBSD has replacements for GCC's crt{begin,end}.S: >> >> http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/csu/arch/?only_with_tag=MAIN >> >> This wo

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > NetBSD has replacements for GCC's crt{begin,end}.S: > > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/csu/arch/?only_with_tag=MAIN > > This would complement compiler-rt and libstdc++. We intend to import > it in downstream Gentoo FreeBSD. >

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On 14 Jun 2012, at 16:41, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Whoever said STABLE is no good for production ? >> >> I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes >> are just too important to skip (we're running firew

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On 14 Jun 2012, at 15:13, Mark Felder wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:49:18 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> >> I for one, as a fbsd admin on corporate servers ( read not commiter), would >> dearly like less releases but a more aggressive MFC approach. > > Less releases such as less frequ

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

All I have an partial solution to this issue I was thinking about this on my morning train ride, so its a bit bumpy. Here are my solutions they are not complete but I think its a good start. 1. When official errata and security updates hit the tree . Providing updated install media could be step

Re: Solving the great resource problem

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:23:11 -0500, Dieter BSD wrote: Replacing perfectly good components simply because they are GPL. The purpose of BSD is supposed to be creating a great OS, not providing software hoarders with a supply of free code to abuse. You realize that companies like Juniper have

Re: Solving the great resource problem

Spending resources to create more releases is pointless when the PRs aren't getting fixed.  "Oh, Look!  Release 9.2.2.2.2.2 is out!  The system still crashes every 5 seconds, but a typo on the true(1) man page is fixed." We need a more global discussion about all the things that resources are spen

Re: Solving the great resource problem, take 42 (Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?)

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:32:08 -0800 Royce Williams wrote: > Even one item from my wish list would lower the branches so that more > people could reach the fruit. :-) Well... maybe this year for the crashdump auto-submit part. For the rest I suggest to provide some text suitable for the ideas list

Re: Solving the great resource problem, take 42 (Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?)

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:06:15 -0700 Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd > > wrote: > >> On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote

Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

NetBSD has replacements for GCC's crt{begin,end}.S: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/csu/arch/?only_with_tag=MAIN This would complement compiler-rt and libstdc++. We intend to import it in downstream Gentoo FreeBSD. Could this be imported into FreeBSD-CURRENT?

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

That is a fairly common response. I would appreciate suggestions on how I can convey that OpenRC is a good init system. Also, I am certain that the OpenRC developers would be thrilled if FreeBSD adopted OpenRC. If FreeBSD core is interested in OpenRC, feel free to contact the OpenRC and/or the Gen

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

Linux does this by keeping a list of driver id's and corresponding driver modules. The installers can then generate of list of modules to load based on a scan done at install time. what a problem to compile custom kernel? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.o

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes are just too important to skip (we're running firewalls and had a problem with a CARP bug). I've moved us to 8.3-STABLE recently and am quite happy with it, so far. as most people do who needs FreeBSD to perform crucial work

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

> does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change number :) Except STABLE is no good for production, and the problem is EoL- updates and support stop. using RELENG_8 everywhere except my private laptop with 9.

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

Brandon writes: > Booting into Ubuntu minimal or my own custom Linux distro, > literally takes 0.5-2 seconds to boot up to shell 0.5-2 seconds from power-on to a shell prompt?  How do you get through the firmware that fast, much less firmware plus an OS? Which reminds me, back when I was triple-b

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

On 6/13/12 6:29 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Russell Cattelan > wrote: > > On 6/13/12 2:16 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message > >

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Whoever said STABLE is no good for production ? > > I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes > are just too important to skip (we're running firewalls and had a > problem with a CARP bug). In theory w

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 08:20:02AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:30:19 am Adrian Chadd wrote: > > On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > >> The only way that this would really work is if ther

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:30:19 am Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> The only way that this would really work is if there were dedicated > >> sustaining engineers working on actively backpor

groups and directories

assume we have timesharing system and multiple users. everyone have his/her home directory and here - the access right and ownership is simple. assume we need two shared directories - a and b directory a must be for user1,user2 and user3, directory b for user3,user4 and user5. things are s

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

Thanks for the information -- I got scared by "SysV init". This actually does look very nice. -Nathan On 06/13/12 13:35, Richard Yao wrote: The OpenRC is sysvinit compatible, but it has few of sysvinit's flaws. It has named runlevels, the presence of an init script does not cause it to start an

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:49:18 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: I for one, as a fbsd admin on corporate servers ( read not commiter), would dearly like less releases but a more aggressive MFC approach. Less releases such as less frequent MAJOR releases (7.0, 8.0, 9.0...) or less MINOR release

Re: src builds and STDERR

Hello! On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Eygene Ryabinkin wrote: > Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 09:38:06AM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> > On 1 Mar 2012 16:31, "Garrett Cooper" wrote: >> >> See: >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-curren

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Jun 14, 2012 9:30 AM, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: > > On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Friends, > >>> > >>> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed > > - ca

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 06:50:34AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change number :) The difference is the freeze-and-test work that goes between "random date" and "release time". This requir

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" > wrote: >>> >>> Friends, >>> >>> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed > - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? >> >> >> does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done co

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? > > > does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change

Re: Solving the great resource problem, take 42 (Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?)

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:06:15PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wr