Future of RAIDFrame and Vinum (was: Future of RAIDFrame)

2004-01-10 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Sunday, 11 January 2004 at 0:12:57 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Long writes: >> All, >> >> I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a proven >> and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. Unfortunately, while it was made >> to work pret

Re: Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 10 January 2004 at 18:12:28 -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:12:57 +0100 >> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> As much as I would hate to see RF and Vinum disappar from our >>> source tree, maybe what we need to do is

Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x

2004-01-10 Thread William Grim
Wes Peters wrote: On Friday 09 January 2004 09:34 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Michel TALON wrote: Sincerely FreeBSD developers have more important tasks than spending hours to fit an installable system on floppies. When FreeBSD used one floppy, it was tolerable to do fl

Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x

2004-01-10 Thread Wes Peters
On Friday 09 January 2004 09:34 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Michel TALON wrote: > > > > Sincerely FreeBSD developers have more important tasks than spending > > hours to fit an installable system on floppies. When FreeBSD used > > one floppy, it was tolerable to do floppy inst

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Boothman
Peter Jeremy wrote: Most of the noteworthy features of subversion are listed on the project front page: http://subversion.tigris.org/ A significant one of which is the fact that it's available under a BSD-style license. Meaning that the project wouldn't have to rely on more GPLed code. I wonder i

Re: Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Scott Long
Alexander Leidinger wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:12:57 +0100 "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As much as I would hate to see RF and Vinum disappar from our source tree, maybe what we need to do is to kick them both into "training-camp" in p4 while you and Greg look the other way. [.

Re: Large Filesystem Woes

2004-01-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 12:25:46AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Our main fileserver has a filesystem with 2.7e6 files and we >> are continually running into undocumented "features" (aka bugs) as a >> result of the large number of files. > >I

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 05:01:13PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >At 9:35 PM + 1/10/04, Andrew Boothman wrote: >>Peter Schuller wrote: >> >>>Most of the noteworthy features of subversion are listed >>>on the project front page: >>> >>> http://subversion.tigris.org/ >> >>A significant one of

Re: Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Scott Long
Scott Long wrote: All, I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a proven and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. Unfortunately, while it was made to work pretty well on 4.x, it has never been viable on 5.x; it never survived the introduction of GEOM and removal of the old disk

Re: Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Scott Long
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a proven and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. I'm having trouble seeing what RF does that Vinum (or at least a properly GEOMified Vinum) can't do... DES Please read th

Re: Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a proven > and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. I'm having trouble seeing what RF does that Vinum (or at least a properly GEOMified Vinum) can't do... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Large Filesystem Woes

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Our main fileserver has a filesystem with 2.7e6 files and we > are continually running into undocumented "features" (aka bugs) as a > result of the large number of files. Is 2.7e6 a typo for 2.7e9? I can't imagine *any* modern file system having

Re: help with linking please

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It will refuse to strip symbols if: > > foo.o:func1() references bar.o:func2(). > > But I need it to. use -G instead of -K, e.g. $ strip -G apifunc1 -G apifunc2 foo.o will make every symbol except apifunc1 and apifunc2 local. DES -- Dag-Erling Smø

Re: Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Scott Long wrote: > I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a proven > and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. Unfortunately, while it was made > to work pretty well on 4.x, it has never been viable on 5.x; it never > survived the introduction of GEOM and

Re: Large Filesystem Woes

2004-01-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:35:51AM -0800, Tom Arnold wrote: >Building a box thats going to house many billions of small files. Think >innd circa 1998 or someone trying to house AOLs mail system on cyrus or >something. This is probably going to stress any filesystem. You might like to consider an

Re: diskless problems

2004-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > > I'll try again without the BOOTP options... > > Yeah. Our PXE booting support isn't really the same as the traditional > > diskless booting envir

Future of RAIDFrame

2004-01-10 Thread Scott Long
All, I started RAIDframe three years ago with the hope of bringing a proven and extensible RAID stack to FreeBSD. Unfortunately, while it was made to work pretty well on 4.x, it has never been viable on 5.x; it never survived the introduction of GEOM and removal of the old disk layer. I'm coming

Re: diskless problems

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > I'll try again without the BOOTP options... > Yeah. Our PXE booting support isn't really the same as the traditional > diskless booting environment. It works fine without the BOOTP options... >

Re: help with linking please

2004-01-10 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040110 03:17] wrote: > Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm having a hell of a time doing this so I can produce a static > > .o or .a with most of the symbols stripped. Two problems seem to be > > that even if I use "ld -r -o main.o obj1.o

Re: diskless problems

2004-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Can you send "tcpdump -e" output? > > 22:18:14.884745 0:40:63:c4:60:3d ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 590: 0.0.0.0.68 > > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0x64c4603d secs:4 flags:0x8000 [|bootp] > 22:18:16.911162 0:

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:35 PM + 1/10/04, Andrew Boothman wrote: Peter Schuller wrote: Most of the noteworthy features of subversion are listed on the project front page: http://subversion.tigris.org/ A significant one of which is the fact that it's available under a BSD-style license. Meaning that the project

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Andrew Boothman
Peter Schuller wrote: Most of the noteworthy features of subversion are listed on the project front page: http://subversion.tigris.org/ A significant one of which is the fact that it's available under a BSD-style license. Meaning that the project wouldn't have to rely on more GPLed code. I

Re: diskless problems

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can you send "tcpdump -e" output? 22:18:14.884745 0:40:63:c4:60:3d ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 590: 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0x64c4603d secs:4 flags:0x8000 [|bootp] 22:18:16.911162 0:40:63:c4:60:3d ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 590: 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.2

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:05 AM -0800 1/10/04, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: --- Garance A Drosihn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a pretty major test! Could we perhaps pick off > something smaller? The "projects" repository, for > instance? (or is that still tied to the base-system?) SVN is meant to be a replacem

Re: diskless problems

2004-01-10 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > I'm trying to set up a VIA C3-based mini-ITX box for diskless boot using > isc-dhcpd 3.0 from ports. The kernel and modules load fine, but > isc-dhcpd doesn't seem to answer the kernel's DHCP discover message. > > The following is a tcpdump of t

diskless problems

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
I'm trying to set up a VIA C3-based mini-ITX box for diskless boot using isc-dhcpd 3.0 from ports. The kernel and modules load fine, but isc-dhcpd doesn't seem to answer the kernel's DHCP discover message. The following is a tcpdump of the traffic the DHCP server sees. I've removed the timestamp

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Peter Schuller
> I haven't been following this too closely, so forgive me if this has > been mentioned. Does Subversion support any type of transaction based > committing? Yes. Commits are atomic. Most of the noteworthy features of subversion are listed on the project front page: http://subversion.tigris.o

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Ryan Sommers
Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 7:27 PM -0800 1/9/04, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: Hi; There is a comparison here: http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/comparison.html I think there are compelling reasons to try subversion, but we have to wait for a 1.0 Release, and this would be something that should

Unix turns 0x40000000 !

2004-01-10 Thread Christoph P. Kukulies
Something for us all to smile or to celebrate! |Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:16:28 + (GMT) |From: Scott Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Subject: Unix turns 0x4000 ! | |In just over 26 hours (Sun Jan 11 00:37:04 2004 GMT to be exact) UNIX |will bust through the 11 (bina

kernel threads and printf locking question

2004-01-10 Thread Daan Vreeken [PA4DAN]
Hi, I am writing a kernel module in which I have created a kernel thread with kthread_create. For debugging I have added a couple of printf's in the thread-routine. Running the module on a single-proc system works fine, but when running it on one of my SMP machines the console freezes after a c

Remote installs without FD/CD

2004-01-10 Thread Adrian Steinmann
The "Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x" thread prompts me to report how we have been upgrading FreeBSD remotely since FreeBSD 3.x. First, we build: . custom minimal kernels for each HW type in the field; we store this kernel in /boot/maint/k.HW.gz . custom MD image for each ma

Re: help with linking please

2004-01-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm having a hell of a time doing this so I can produce a static > .o or .a with most of the symbols stripped. Two problems seem to be > that even if I use "ld -r -o main.o obj1.o obj2.c libfoo.a" then I > can not strip symbols in obj1.o that are refe

Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x

2004-01-10 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky
* Richard Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-09 20:59 -0500]: > Richard Coleman wrote: > >I apologize if this is a dumb question. But rather than using two > >floppies during the install process, why not three or four? > > > >Richard Coleman > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sorry, I just got caught up

Re: UNIX / BSD parallel port programming documentation

2004-01-10 Thread Daan Vreeken [PA4DAN]
On Friday 09 January 2004 17:03, Vladimir Terziev wrote: > Hi hackers, > > I have to develop small server which has to manage custom microcontroller > via parallel port interface. > Does anyone know good manual/documentation about UNIX / BSD parallel port > programming ? Most of it shou

Re: SCM options (was Re: Where is FreeBSD going?)

2004-01-10 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 7:27 PM -0800 1/9/04, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: Hi; There is a comparison here: http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/comparison.html I think there are compelling reasons to try subversion, but we have to wait for a 1.0 Release, and this would be something that should be done gradually.. for ex

Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x

2004-01-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:57:56PM +0100, Martin Nilsson wrote: >This discussion is just like when the i386 support was removed from the >GENERIC kernel, a lot of noise about old systems that wouldn't be able >to run (or benefit) from FreeBSD 5 anyway. There's a big jump between i386 systems and

Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x

2004-01-10 Thread Scott Long
Peter Jeremy wrote: On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 04:26:54PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 02:23:58PM -0700 I heard the voice of Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: yes, we need something like struct pci_device_info { uint32_tpciid;