Re: Technical Differences of *BSD and Linux

2003-02-03 Thread der Mouse
[off-list] > If Copyright law were to acknowledge the existance of Public Domain, > by providing liability protection for authors whose code was used by > third parties, resulting in damages, then almost every BSD developer > I'm aware of wuld release their code as public domain, instead. How doe

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:36 PM -0800 2/3/03, Doug Barton wrote: On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I added: -I '$FreeBSD:.*$' > to the 'diff ${DIFF_FLAG}' command in diff_loop, and it seems to > have worked the way I wanted it to work. How did you want it to work? (This isn't a rhetorical

More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?)

2003-02-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
test #1 test #2 Power (seconds) (bandwidth) (load on UPS) DELL2550 / 1.2 GHz 0.62253MB/sec 12% Pentium 4 / 1.3 GHz 0.74500MB/sec ? 650 MHz Cele

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Amit Rao wrote: > On Monday 03 February 2003 07:35 am, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > > > Well for one thing, if a given file has a lot of changes, then I > > > > would like mergemas

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I happen to be updating my system tonight, so when it came to the > mergemaster step I first modified the script. Cool... contrary to popular opinion, I do like UI feedback. :) > I added: > -I '$FreeBSD:.*$' > to the 'diff ${DIFF_FLAG}' com

Re: Technical Differences of *BSD and Linux

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
der Mouse wrote: > In most respects I don't care much for the GPL, but this is one of the > really good effects it has: it keeps people from using "you gotta > splash my name all over everything" licenses on their stuff. I just > looked at the INSTALL.txt file from the most recent NetBSD/sparc > r

Re: Technical Differences of *BSD and Linux

2003-02-03 Thread der Mouse
>> [...the whole thread re BSD vs Linux...] > [...] Eventually, the die-hards will die hard, and the lack of new > competent BSD hackers will seal the coffin...the BSD sysadmin will be > sent packing I've seen it said that ego will be the death of BSD. The more I see of BSD the more I believe it

Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep.

2003-02-03 Thread Munish Chopra
On 2003-02-03 18:51 +, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >The classic Unix including BSD4.4 UNIX is now under a > >BSD-like license too (finding it is another issue > >though ;). > > Kirk McKusick sells a CD-ROM collection containing all the CSRG > distributions: > > https://www.mckusick.com/cs

Re: Technical Differences of *BSD and Linux

2003-02-03 Thread John-David Childs
> > > 4. Any chance of merging the very best part of each kernel? > > > 5. Or is it possible to do so? > > > > No, I don't forsee merging. der Mouse pointed out the GPL issue, which is > > one where I think the BSD and Linux folks will just agree to disagree. > > Besides some big issues of ideolo

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:12 AM -0800 2/3/03, Doug Barton wrote: On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > Well for one thing, if a given file has a lot of changes, then I > > would like mergemaster to skip over the

RE: [PATCH2] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Terry, > > seems like it :) just got report back from one of the testers. > > he got connected to the internet over his T39m bluetooth enabled > > cell phone. the cool thing is that you can make CSD, GPRS or HSCSD > > calls. its just a matter of init string you send to the phone :) > > still waiti

Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChipdriver("fla").

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
Nat Lanza wrote: > > But if that's the argument for removing it, then it's probably > > time to remove the ability to use non-DMA IDE drives from the > > ATA driver, and kill all the ethernet drivers that have alignment > > requirements for their DMA engines, making m_pullup copies > > necessary, a

Re: [PATCH2] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: > seems like it :) just got report back from one of the testers. > he got connected to the internet over his T39m bluetooth enabled > cell phone. the cool thing is that you can make CSD, GPRS or HSCSD > calls. its just a matter of init string you send to the phone :) > still

Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChipdriver("fla").

2003-02-03 Thread Nat Lanza
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 18:06, Terry Lambert wrote: > But if that's the argument for removing it, then it's probably > time to remove the ability to use non-DMA IDE drives from the > ATA driver, and kill all the ethernet drivers that have alignment > requirements for their DMA engines, making m_pullu

Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep.

2003-02-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
>The classic Unix including BSD4.4 UNIX is now under a >BSD-like license too (finding it is another issue >though ;). Kirk McKusick sells a CD-ROM collection containing all the CSRG distributions: https://www.mckusick.com/csrg/ Pretty much everything that had to be GNUified in BSD/386 an

Re: [PATCH2] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Terry, Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: force-scripts Default: Disabled. Forces execution of the configured chat scripts in direct and dedicated modes. Outstanding! If Brian doesn't veto, I'd say it's gold, and someone should commit it; so I guess this fixes the last Bluetooth Cell phone PPP pro

Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep.

2003-02-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
The classic Unix including BSD4.4 UNIX is now under a BSD-like license too (finding it is another issue though ;). Anyone from those days remembers anything that might be worth resurrecting? cheers, Pedro. --- "James P. Howard II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Pedro F. Giffuni said: > >

Re: Random disk cache expiry

2003-02-03 Thread Fergal Daly
On Friday 31 January 2003 03:47, David Schultz wrote: > You have found an optimal replacement algorithm for the case of > repeated sequential reads. In fact, if you know in advance what > the access pattern is going to be, it is *always* possible to find > an optimal replacement algorithm. Spec

Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver("fla").

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
Gordon Tetlow wrote: > > Why announce an intent to kill something that works? > > > > Do we just not "like" DoC, as a matter of public policy? > > I think phk has a good explaination: > > :The driver in the tree works with the M-systems devices I have to > :test with, but M-Systems have neither s

Re: [PATCH2] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
My un-trained eye says this is good. Thanks for turning around the feedback so quickly. Now, we wait for Brian to review it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: [PATCH2] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: > force-scripts >Default: Disabled. Forces execution of the configured chat >scripts in direct and dedicated modes. Outstanding! If Brian doesn't veto, I'd say it's gold, and someone should commit it; so I guess this fixes the last Bluetooth Cell phone PPP problem,

[PATCH2] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Dear Brian and Hackers, Please find updated proposed version of the patch. As suggested by Warner option has been renamed to 'force-sripts' and now works for both 'direct' and 'dedicated' modes. Also as suggested by Terry the man page has been updated to document side effect of 'direct'. -direct

Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver("fla").

2003-02-03 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:05:54AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > David Yeske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I still use this. Users will not suddenly quit using hardware that > > > works, they will start using a different OS that works with it, or > > > they will

Re: [PATCH] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
Maksim Yevmenkin wrote: > Please find attached patch that adds new option to the PPP. > > run-scripts-in-direct-mode > Default: Disabled. This allows to run chat scripts in > direct mode. > > did i miss anything? objections? comments? reviews? First comment: run it past Brian Som

Re: [PATCH] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maksim Yevmenkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Dear Hackers, : : Please find attached patch that adds new option to the PPP. : : : run-scripts-in-direct-mode : Default: Disabled. This allows to run chat scripts in : direct mode. : : did i

[PATCH] PPP in -direct mode does not execute any chat scripts

2003-02-03 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Dear Hackers, Please find attached patch that adds new option to the PPP. run-scripts-in-direct-mode Default: Disabled. This allows to run chat scripts in direct mode. did i miss anything? objections? comments? reviews? thanks, max I'm working on the Bluetooth stack for FreeBSD and curren

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I didn't say I don't know HOW to implement it, I said I didn't know how > BEST to implement it. You snipped the part of my e-mail where I explained > the issues. I don't see the problem, you don't need to run diff twice... no more than you already do (any

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Amit Rao
On Monday 03 February 2003 07:35 am, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > > Well for one thing, if a given file has a lot of changes, then I > > > would like mergemaster to skip over the initial one-line change >

Re: vfork / execve / accept lock

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
rmkml wrote: > here is a sample code (vfork_execve.c) to demonstrate a locking problem. The short answer is that your code is wrong. The longer answer is that your code is assuming implementation details in vfork() which are undefined in threaded programs, according to the standard, and is assumi

RE: Request for info from SiS chipset owners

2003-02-03 Thread John Baldwin
On 01-Feb-2003 Soeren Schmidt wrote: > > I'm currently in the midst of an ATA chipset support mega rewrite/update, > and the last item on the list is SiS support. > > That where _you_ come into the picture, I need a pciconf -l from your > SiS based system! > > Just reply to this message with th

Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver("fla").

2003-02-03 Thread Terry Lambert
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > David Yeske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I still use this. Users will not suddenly quit using hardware that > > works, they will start using a different OS that works with it, or > > they will be stuck trying to continue to support an old version of > > FreeBSD beca

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > > Well for one thing, if a given file has a lot of changes, then I > > > would like mergemaster to skip over the initial one-line change > > > that only te

Poll: Should Mark Murray be removed from core?

2003-02-03 Thread Matthew Damon
Gentlemen, cast your vote: 1) Mark Murray considered harmful 2) Nah, keep the person that has just removed Dillon's commit bit, yet isn't making any significant contribution to the project. You have until Feb 15 to vote. Poll result will be forwarded to core and a decision will be made. Thank

Re: vfork / execve / accept lock

2003-02-03 Thread rmkml
ok sorry, change on Makefile : CCFLAGS=$(CCFLAGS_BSD) LIBS= $(LIB_THREAD_BSD) $(LIB_BSD) Regards. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

vfork / execve / accept lock

2003-02-03 Thread rmkml
here is a sample code (vfork_execve.c) to demonstrate a locking problem. The code launch 3 threads : 1 signal 2 endless do nothing 3 a socket server (bind to 127.0.0.1:12345) The server accept 3 cmd: 1) close => close cnx 2) sleep => use vfork /execv to launch external "/bin/sleep 20" to r

Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep.

2003-02-03 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
That's very cool! Congratulations! NetBSD has a BSD sort, I understand it's based on the Minix version, so we are getting very near to cleaning all the utilities from the GPL. cheers, Pedro. --- "James P. Howard II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav said: > > Sergey Ba

How to make .so to find symbol from other .so?

2003-02-03 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
I have the following setup: Main executable loads module X, which in turn loads modules Y.so and Z.so (optionally, depending on the configuration). All loads are done with dlopen with flags RTLD_LAZY|RTLD_GLOBAL. Now, module Y needs to know address of some symbol from module Z in case Z.so is lo

Re: Modifying mergemaster behavior

2003-02-03 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > Well for one thing, if a given file has a lot of changes, then I > > would like mergemaster to skip over the initial one-line change > > that only tells me how some comment now has a new version-number > > i

Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep.

2003-02-03 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Sergey Babkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also the GNU grep has a lot more options, the most interesting > of them being -r. Unfortunately, GNU grep's -r option is broken (it does not handle symnlinks correctly). Try textproc/freegrep from ports instead. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PR

Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver("fla").

2003-02-03 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
David Yeske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I still use this. Users will not suddenly quit using hardware that > works, they will start using a different OS that works with it, or > they will be stuck trying to continue to support an old version of > FreeBSD because it works with it. Read the anno

Hypocrites

2003-02-03 Thread Matthew Damon
What's going on here? markm 2003/02/02 01:01:30 PST Modified files: .access Log: See mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Revision ChangesPath 1.364 +0 -1 CVSROOT/access Why is this being kept secret?