Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Kent Stewart
Sorry about the other one. I intended to start over. I did but not the way I wanted :(. Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > One other point that I would like to understand is why -j4 takes > > > longer on all of my systems. That goes against what ever

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Kent Stewart
Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > One other point that I would like to understand is why -j4 takes > > > longer on all of my systems. That goes against what everyone claims > > > should happen. > > > > With how many running processors? If you're ru

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Kent Stewart
Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > It was a uniprocessor system. The folklore has it doing more but all I > > You've been listening to the wrong folklore then, that's all. :) True but that is what section 19.4.6.5 in the Handbook implies. It also reads for -current but it has said that since 3.x was

Re: Jail Pseudo Terminals

2001-02-12 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Tue 2001-02-13 (07:09), Lists Account wrote: > Ok this is getting a bit strange. Interestingly enough ssh works 100% > with my method of tty creation, having created (from outside the > jail) ttyp32 - ttyp100 (with the minor/major numbers set as 5,XX where XX > is ttypXX), and a mknod type of

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> It was a uniprocessor system. The folklore has it doing more but all I You've been listening to the wrong folklore then, that's all. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Kent Stewart
Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > One other point that I would like to understand is why -j4 takes > > longer on all of my systems. That goes against what everyone claims > > should happen. > > With how many running processors? If you're running -j4 on a > uniprocessor system, you're only introduci

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> One other point that I would like to understand is why -j4 takes > longer on all of my systems. That goes against what everyone claims > should happen. With how many running processors? If you're running -j4 on a uniprocessor system, you're only introducing competition for already scarce CPU r

Re: Dynalink. PCMCIA Ethernet adapter

2001-02-12 Thread Wes Peters
Jesús Arnáiz wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I have installed FreeBSD 4.2 on my laptop and it has a a PCMCIA ethernet adapter. It > is a L100C32 Dynalink 10/100Mbps 32bit Ethernet Adapter. > > The system don't find it when it boots (I think). I use all the PCMCIA options to > BOOT, and I when I use

Re: EBCDIC -> ASCII

2001-02-12 Thread Wes Peters
Aled Morris wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Warner Losh wrote: > > >Even the name (dd) comes from IBM's control language (JSYS?). > > I don't disagree, but someone once told me the name came from what > it does "Convert and Copy a file" - see dd(1) - but "cc" was already > taken... dd == devic

Re: Jail Pseudo Terminals

2001-02-12 Thread Lists Account
Hi, Ok this is getting a bit strange. Interestingly enough ssh works 100% with my method of tty creation, having created (from outside the jail) ttyp32 - ttyp100 (with the minor/major numbers set as 5,XX where XX is ttypXX), and a mknod type of c, ssh allocates ttys fine, however screen still te

Re: ADSL and PPPoE question

2001-02-12 Thread Julian Elischer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:20:55 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I'm very sorry if this is a stupid question. > > > > > > In our company, we want to set up a small network of about 20 PCs. > ADSL > > > seems like a good inex

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Kent Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One other point that I would like to understand is why -j4 takes > longer on all of my systems. That goes against what everyone claims > should happen. More concurrent jobs means more contention and more overhead. Increasing the number of jobs boosts per

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Kent Stewart
Matt Dillon wrote: > > :Thunderbird 900, with 256 MB of PC-133 memory, and using 3 - ATA-66 > :HD's on different controllers. The elapsed time dropped from 58:16 to > :45:54 by using softupdates. > : > :Kent > > That sounds about right for -pipe. The original email was > 1 hour vs 40

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Matt Dillon
:Thunderbird 900, with 256 MB of PC-133 memory, and using 3 - ATA-66 :HD's on different controllers. The elapsed time dropped from 58:16 to :45:54 by using softupdates. : :Kent That sounds about right for -pipe. The original email was 1 hour vs 40 minutes, a 20 minute difference which se

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Jordan Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > More likely RAM bandwidth. Those 133 Mhz FSBs ought to help, though. > If RAM bandwidth was the bottleneck here then putting /usr/src and > /usr/obj into an MFS would have represented a pessimization over > simply leaving that on disk. Don't be so su

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> Jordan Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] That implies to me, at least, that after a certain > > point the CPU is going to be the bottleneck. > > More likely RAM bandwidth. Those 133 Mhz FSBs ought to help, though. If RAM bandwidth was the bottleneck here then putting /

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Jordan Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] That implies to me, at least, that after a certain > point the CPU is going to be the bottleneck. More likely RAM bandwidth. Those 133 Mhz FSBs ought to help, though. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe:

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Kent Stewart
Matt Dillon wrote: > > :> In fact, it's exactly the opposite. 'make world' is CPU-bound, so the > :> speed of the I/O system is irrelevant. If it were I/O bound, soft > :> updates *would* make a difference, because a number of unnecessary > :> writes would be eliminated. > : > :Read what he w

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Jordan Hubbard
> In fact, it's exactly the opposite. 'make world' is CPU-bound, so the > speed of the I/O system is irrelevant. If it were I/O bound, soft > updates *would* make a difference, because a number of unnecessary > writes would be eliminated. Actually, I have measured that after a certain point mak

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Matt Dillon
:> In fact, it's exactly the opposite. 'make world' is CPU-bound, so the :> speed of the I/O system is irrelevant. If it were I/O bound, soft :> updates *would* make a difference, because a number of unnecessary :> writes would be eliminated. : :Read what he writes. Soft updates *did* make a di

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Greg Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010212 15:23] wrote: > On Monday, 12 February 2001 at 15:29:17 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Danny Braniss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> i've been doing some experiments with vinum, and doing a make buildworld > >> (with obj on the same vinum) > >>w

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Greg Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In fact, it's exactly the opposite. 'make world' is CPU-bound, so the > speed of the I/O system is irrelevant. If it were I/O bound, soft > updates *would* make a difference, because a number of unnecessary > writes would be eliminated. Read what he writ

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Greg Lehey
On Monday, 12 February 2001 at 15:29:17 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Danny Braniss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> i've been doing some experiments with vinum, and doing a make buildworld >> (with obj on the same vinum) >> without soft-updates~ 1 hour >> with soft-updates

Re: Really odd "BTX halted" problem booting - PXE/diskless

2001-02-12 Thread Francesco Casadei
On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 12:13:40PM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>you write: > }It its the bios disk probe that is causing the machine to fault. > > I can now confirm that it's a divide by zero in the Adaptec BIOS GRR. > (in biosdisk, when 'probing' the adaptec) a

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Re: EBCDIC -> ASCII

2001-02-12 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 2:01 PM + 2/12/01, Aled Morris wrote: >On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Warner Losh wrote: > >>Even the name (dd) comes from IBM's control language (JSYS?). > >I don't disagree, but someone once told me the name came from >what it does "Convert and Copy a file" - see dd(1) - but "cc" >was already taken

Re: EBCDIC -> ASCII

2001-02-12 Thread Kurt J. Lidl
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:01:55PM +, Aled Morris wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Warner Losh wrote: > > >Even the name (dd) comes from IBM's control language (JSYS?). > > I don't disagree, but someone once told me the name came from what > it does "Convert and Copy a file" - see dd(1) - but "

Re: call for testers: port aggregation netgraph module

2001-02-12 Thread Archie Cobbs
Bill Paul writes: > > > This is a call for testers for a netgraph module that can be used to > > > aggregate 2 or 4 ethernet interfaces into a single interface. Basically, > > > it lets you do things like the following: > > You know, so far I've gotten close to a dozen replies to this e-mail, > b

Re: ADSL and PPPoE question

2001-02-12 Thread kiguchi
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:20:55 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I'm very sorry if this is a stupid question. > > > > In our company, we want to set up a small network of about 20 PCs. ADSL > > seems like a good inexpensive solution, and I understand that F

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2001-02-12 Thread Tony m
I got a message saying This user's mail account has been disabled. Probably because their mail is over quota. We're sorry for any inconvenience. Engineering Computer Services University of Michigan-Dearborn when I sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so I resent to freebsd-hackers just in case, sorry T

problems connecting a dlink di-701 to a freebsd 3.5s pppoed server

2001-02-12 Thread Tony m
I asked this same question on -questions I'm hoping this list will be more fruitful as I didn't get a single reply :( thanks I have a dlink di-701 that I would like to use with PPPoE to connect to a freebsd 3.5s PPPoED server when I connect via raspppoe I have no problems, however if I try to co

Re: problems connecting a dlink di-701 to a freebsd 3.5s pppoed server

2001-02-12 Thread Julian Elischer
Tony m wrote: > > I asked this same question on -questions I'm hoping this list will be more > fruitful as I didn't get a single reply :( thanks > > I have a dlink di-701 that I would like to use with PPPoE to connect to a > freebsd 3.5s PPPoED server > > when I connect via raspppoe I have no p

Re: ADSL and PPPoE question

2001-02-12 Thread Dennis
At 11:02 AM 02/12/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'm very sorry if this is a stupid question. > >In our company, we want to set up a small network of about 20 PCs. ADSL >seems like a good inexpensive solution, and I understand that FreeBSD with >Netgraph can act like a gateway for our computers

problems connecting a dlink di-701 to a freebsd 3.5s pppoed server

2001-02-12 Thread Tony m
I asked this same question on -questions I'm hoping this list will be more fruitful as I didn't get a single reply :( thanks I have a dlink di-701 that I would like to use with PPPoE to connect to a freebsd 3.5s PPPoED server when I connect via raspppoe I have no problems, however if I try to co

Re: ADSL and PPPoE question

2001-02-12 Thread Julian Elischer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm very sorry if this is a stupid question. > > In our company, we want to set up a small network of about 20 PCs. ADSL > seems like a good inexpensive solution, and I understand that FreeBSD with > Netgraph can act like a gateway for our computers. are they in d

ADSL and PPPoE question

2001-02-12 Thread kiguchi
I'm very sorry if this is a stupid question. In our company, we want to set up a small network of about 20 PCs. ADSL seems like a good inexpensive solution, and I understand that FreeBSD with Netgraph can act like a gateway for our computers. What I don't understand is whether we will have to

Re: Jail Pseudo Terminals

2001-02-12 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Lists Account wrote: > Just a quick question Im hoping someone can help me with. I extended > the number of pty's available on my base box just fine, with an edit to > /etc/ttys and making some new devices, then just a kill -1 1, and > everything worked fine. > > I did ex

apm_cpu_idle() is not being used... why?

2001-02-12 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
Hello, The discussion originated a few days ago in -mobile about some problems with the Dell Inspiron fan reminded me of an old question about APM and idle cycles: why is apm_cpu_idle() not used at all in the kernel? I have just checked NetBSD and OpenBSD's sys/arch/i386/i386/locore.s and both co

Re: soft updates performance

2001-02-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Danny Braniss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i've been doing some experiments with vinum, and doing a make buildworld > (with obj on the same vinum) > without soft-updates~ 1 hour > with soft-updates ~ 40 minutes > which is a bit better than 3% :-) > > what i can't figure out

Re: EBCDIC -> ASCII

2001-02-12 Thread Aled Morris
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Warner Losh wrote: >Even the name (dd) comes from IBM's control language (JSYS?). I don't disagree, but someone once told me the name came from what it does "Convert and Copy a file" - see dd(1) - but "cc" was already taken... Aled To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PR

Jail Pseudo Terminals

2001-02-12 Thread Lists Account
Hi All, Just a quick question Im hoping someone can help me with. I extended the number of pty's available on my base box just fine, with an edit to /etc/ttys and making some new devices, then just a kill -1 1, and everything worked fine. I did exactly the same thing under the jail, it didnt wo

Dynalink. PCMCIA Ethernet adapter

2001-02-12 Thread Jesús Arnáiz
Hi everyone. I have installed FreeBSD 4.2 on my laptop and it has a a PCMCIA ethernet adapter. It is a L100C32 Dynalink 10/100Mbps 32bit Ethernet Adapter. The system don't find it when it boots (I think). I use all the PCMCIA options to BOOT, and I when I use ifconfig I see this interfaces: fai

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