Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > > > RS232? RS485? VERY cheap and the later is at least moderatly resistant to > > > noise > > Noise shouldn't be an issue. It's going to be handling "clean" data. By > > cheap, I mean $5 a pop or so. I've got a few 3C503s that I feel l

Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Andy Farkas
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > I will ask another question; "Anyone want to see what I've got so far?" > > http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/ > > README.mca > mca.diff > mca.tar.gz > > MicroChannel Architecture System detected. > ... > m

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > > RS232? RS485? VERY cheap and the later is at least moderatly resistant to > > noise > Noise shouldn't be an issue. It's going to be handling "clean" data. By > cheap, I mean $5 a pop or so. I've got a few 3C503s that I feel like > cutting into. I'm going to be

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the > > National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on > > using one "cut

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Julian Elischer wrote: > > plip? > Ideally, no. The ethernet card makes the data rather easy to handle into other means (like a radio modem). It's already serialized, packetized, has a MAC address for a link address, and it's easy to get seperate RX and TX lines out of the card, even if it is 10

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Nick Hibma
USB? http://www.activewire.com/ has a nice board that does I2C as well. With a bit of plumbing you should be able to stream out 100kb a second. Nick On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: > plip? > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby w

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. > > How about an I2C bus? > > (Or is that -too- slow?) I'll have to admit I'm totally ignorant of w

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Kenny Drobnack
> The trade rags here insist it has already happened: M$ stopped 64 bit Alpha > NT. Beats me if it is true or not. Here's the confusing part: they say M$ stopped making 64 bit Alpha NT, but some say they are actually developing Win2000 64 bit for Alpha's. Since 2000 is NT based, you'd thin

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > > RS232? RS485? VERY cheap and the later is at least moderatly resistant to > > noise > Noise shouldn't be an issue. It's going to be handling "clean" data. By > cheap, I mean $5 a pop or so. I've got a few 3C503s that I feel like > cutting into. I'm going to b

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the > > National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on > > using one "cut

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Julian Elischer wrote: > > plip? > Ideally, no. The ethernet card makes the data rather easy to handle into other means (like a radio modem). It's already serialized, packetized, has a MAC address for a link address, and it's easy to get seperate RX and TX lines out of the card, even if it is 1

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. > > How about an I2C bus? > > (Or is that -too- slow?) I'll have to admit I'm totally ignorant of

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Kenny Drobnack
> The trade rags here insist it has already happened: M$ stopped 64 bit Alpha > NT. Beats me if it is true or not. Here's the confusing part: they say M$ stopped making 64 bit Alpha NT, but some say they are actually developing Win2000 64 bit for Alpha's. Since 2000 is NT based, you'd thi

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the > National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on > using one "cut in half": Half duplex, but split in

locking revisited

1999-08-27 Thread Greg Lehey
After all the stuff that has been said on the last locking thread, I think it's better to restate the case than follow up. It's obvious from the messages in the last thread that a number of otherwise clever people have little understanding or knowledge of the concepts of file locking. I'm appendi

Re: Mandatory locking?

1999-08-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 18:25:31 +, Terry Lambert wrote: >>> And how many programmers with nearly (or more than) two decades of UNIX >>> experience it takes to convince someone it really is useful. > > Har! 8-). > >> I must say, I'm really amazed at some of the opinions that have been

Re: Mandatory locking?

1999-08-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 19:53:22 -0400, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 09:09:33AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 6:05:11 -0400, Thomas David Rivers wrote: All the files under Tandem's NSK has mandatory locking. The file cannot be ope

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Kent Stewart
Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > > > short == 2 > > > int == 4 > > > long == 4 > > > long long == 8 > > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% > > > > But on the Alpha: > > > > j...@beast-> ./foo > > short == 2

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the > National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on > using one "cut in half": Half duplex, but split i

locking revisited

1999-08-27 Thread Greg Lehey
After all the stuff that has been said on the last locking thread, I think it's better to restate the case than follow up. It's obvious from the messages in the last thread that a number of otherwise clever people have little understanding or knowledge of the concepts of file locking. I'm append

Re: Splash screen problem after being interrupted

1999-08-27 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
> Tonight while testing my rc file changes I decided to interrupt the spl >ash >screen display I have to see the boot messages. I hit scroll lock to do >this, and it killed the splash screen, but when I went to log in the >keyboard on the console was pretty much fubar. Every key was mapped t

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Patryk Zadarnowski
> On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 08:45:31PM -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: > > Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > > Microsoft needs a "business quality" version of Windows, > > > which it claims is Windows/2000. That version of Windows > > > could benefit from a 64-bit port, if for marketing only; but

Re: Mandatory locking?

1999-08-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 18:25:31 +, Terry Lambert wrote: >>> And how many programmers with nearly (or more than) two decades of UNIX >>> experience it takes to convince someone it really is useful. > > Har! 8-). > >> I must say, I'm really amazed at some of the opinions that have been

Re: Mandatory locking?

1999-08-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 19:53:22 -0400, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 09:09:33AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 25 August 1999 at 6:05:11 -0400, Thomas David Rivers wrote: All the files under Tandem's NSK has mandatory locking. The file cannot be op

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Kent Stewart
Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > > > short == 2 > > > int == 4 > > > long == 4 > > > long long == 8 > > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% > > > > But on the Alpha: > > > > jkh@beast-> ./foo > > short == 2

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Mark Ovens
On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > > short == 2 > > int == 4 > > long == 4 > > long long == 8 > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% > > But on the Alpha: > > j...@beast-> ./foo > short == 2 > int == 4 > long == 8 > long long == 8 >

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > short == 2 > int == 4 > long == 4 > long long == 8 > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% But on the Alpha: j...@beast-> ./foo short == 2 int == 4 long == 8 long long == 8 - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" i

Re: Splash screen problem after being interrupted

1999-08-27 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
> Tonight while testing my rc file changes I decided to interrupt the spl >ash >screen display I have to see the boot messages. I hit scroll lock to do >this, and it killed the splash screen, but when I went to log in the >keyboard on the console was pretty much fubar. Every key was mapped

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Julian Elischer
plip? On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. > > How about an I2C bus? > > (Or is that -too- slow?) > > -- > | Matth

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Mark Ovens
On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 08:45:31PM -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: > Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > Microsoft needs a "business quality" version of Windows, > > which it claims is Windows/2000. That version of Windows > > could benefit from a 64-bit port, if for marketing only; but > > I don'

Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > Good stuff! People may ask "why bother?", but it gives us access to a > heap of embedded POS systems that are stuck with OS/2 and Y2K > nightmares. Don't forget the PS/2 laptops that use MCA. I'm sure the bottom has fallen out of that market and those mac

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Patryk Zadarnowski
> On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 08:45:31PM -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: > > Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > > Microsoft needs a "business quality" version of Windows, > > > which it claims is Windows/2000. That version of Windows > > > could benefit from a 64-bit port, if for marketing only; bu

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
Zuidam, Hans wrote: > > Hi, > > The IA64 (merced) is a kind of VLIW (Very Large Instruction Word) > processor. It is basically a complete new kind of systems architecture > with a i686 (and of course a i586, ..., 4004) slapped on the side. The > original processor design was done by HP. See: >

Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Peter Wemm
"Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > But instead of lamely asking "Does FreeBSD support MCA?" or "When will > someone finish MCA support?" (which I suppose is still a valid question.) > I will ask another question; "Anyone want to see what I've got so far?" [..] > I'm planning on committing this stuff to -CU

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
Jim Bryant wrote: > > I really don't know how people get started with this. HP has _never_ stated > > that the chip will handle it; all they have stated is that HPUX applications > > will continue to be supported. > > > > I suggest you people go read comp.arch for a while; there's a fair bit of >

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Mark Ovens
On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:29:21PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > > short == 2 > > int == 4 > > long == 4 > > long long == 8 > > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% > > But on the Alpha: > > jkh@beast-> ./foo > short == 2 > int == 4 > long == 8 > long long == 8 >

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
Thomas David Rivers wrote: > Microsoft needs a "business quality" version of Windows, > which it claims is Windows/2000. That version of Windows > could benefit from a 64-bit port, if for marketing only; but > I don't think it would result in the volume of sales Intel > is looking for. A

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% ./a.out > short == 2 > int == 4 > long == 4 > long long == 8 > marder-1:/usr/marko{57}% But on the Alpha: jkh@beast-> ./foo short == 2 int == 4 long == 8 long long == 8 - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in th

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. How about an I2C bus? (Or is that -too- slow?) -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | win.

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going > > even slower (256Kb!). > Why do you wnat to do this? If for bandwidht limiting you need look no > further than 'dummynet'. It's not a bandwidth issue

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Julian Elischer
plip? On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. > > How about an I2C bus? > > (Or is that -too- slow?) > > -- > | Matt

Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
But instead of lamely asking "Does FreeBSD support MCA?" or "When will someone finish MCA support?" (which I suppose is still a valid question.) I will ask another question; "Anyone want to see what I've got so far?" http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/ README.mca mca

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Mark Ovens
On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 08:45:31PM -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: > Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > Microsoft needs a "business quality" version of Windows, > > which it claims is Windows/2000. That version of Windows > > could benefit from a 64-bit port, if for marketing only; but > > I don

Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > Good stuff! People may ask "why bother?", but it gives us access to a > heap of embedded POS systems that are stuck with OS/2 and Y2K > nightmares. Don't forget the PS/2 laptops that use MCA. I'm sure the bottom has fallen out of that market and those ma

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
Zuidam, Hans wrote: > > Hi, > > The IA64 (merced) is a kind of VLIW (Very Large Instruction Word) > processor. It is basically a complete new kind of systems architecture > with a i686 (and of course a i586, ..., 4004) slapped on the side. The > original processor design was done by HP. See:

Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Peter Wemm
"Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > But instead of lamely asking "Does FreeBSD support MCA?" or "When will > someone finish MCA support?" (which I suppose is still a valid question.) > I will ask another question; "Anyone want to see what I've got so far?" [..] > I'm planning on committing this stuff to -C

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
Jim Bryant wrote: > > I really don't know how people get started with this. HP has _never_ stated > > that the chip will handle it; all they have stated is that HPUX applications > > will continue to be supported. > > > > I suggest you people go read comp.arch for a while; there's a fair bit of

Q: Frequent panics on 3.2-RELEASE

1999-08-27 Thread Addr.com Web Hosting
Hi, I am getting very frequent panics (3 per day) on a 3.2-RELEASE server.: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode mp_lock = 0002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = fault virtual address = 0xbfca0b0c fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
Thomas David Rivers wrote: > Microsoft needs a "business quality" version of Windows, > which it claims is Windows/2000. That version of Windows > could benefit from a 64-bit port, if for marketing only; but > I don't think it would result in the volume of sales Intel > is looking for. A

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kedzierski
> As Wes Peters wrote ... > > Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > > > > > ?? I thought we had already established that neither Linux or NT runs > > > on Merced, only HP-UX so far. I would certainly like to see a FBSD > > > port as I imagine we will be seeing Merced-based systems here quite > > > early

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an > extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. How about an I2C bus? (Or is that -too- slow?) -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EM

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kirby
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > > I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going > > even slower (256Kb!). > Why do you wnat to do this? If for bandwidht limiting you need look no > further than 'dummynet'. It's not a bandwidth issu

Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD & MCA)

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
But instead of lamely asking "Does FreeBSD support MCA?" or "When will someone finish MCA support?" (which I suppose is still a valid question.) I will ask another question; "Anyone want to see what I've got so far?" http://www.jurai.net/~winter/mca/ README.mca mc

Re: Splash screen problem after being interrupted

1999-08-27 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:34:03PM -0700, Doug wrote: > Tonight while testing my rc file changes I decided to interrupt > the splash screen display I have to see the boot messages. I hit [...] > Obviously this is a "... well don't do that" case, but I'm not > sure it should be fatal. Ho

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Wes Peters wrote ... > Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > > > ?? I thought we had already established that neither Linux or NT runs > > on Merced, only HP-UX so far. I would certainly like to see a FBSD > > port as I imagine we will be seeing Merced-based systems here quite > > early on. > > Nope

Q: Frequent panics on 3.2-RELEASE

1999-08-27 Thread Addr.com Web Hosting
Hi, I am getting very frequent panics (3 per day) on a 3.2-RELEASE server.: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode mp_lock = 0002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = fault virtual address = 0xbfca0b0c fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =

Re: Excluded Include ?

1999-08-27 Thread Kevin Day
> > I am trying to compile a sync driver maintenance program on fbsd-stable. I > keep getting compiler errors: > > ft1config.o: In function `run_interactive': > ft1config.o(.text+0x565): undefined reference to `initscr' > ft1config.o(.text+0x56a): undefined reference to `cbreak' > ft1config.o(.t

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Jay West
I had written. >>As a matter of fact, the standard version of merced includes the PA-RISC >>engine along with an x86 instruction decoder. To which you replied... >Uh, no. > >The Merced does not do PA-RISC decoding in hardware. Period. Wrong. I wish I could send you the Internal design pape

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Kris Kedzierski
> As Wes Peters wrote ... > > Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > > > > > ?? I thought we had already established that neither Linux or NT runs > > > on Merced, only HP-UX so far. I would certainly like to see a FBSD > > > port as I imagine we will be seeing Merced-based systems here quite > > > early

Excluded Include ?

1999-08-27 Thread Jim Flowers
I am trying to compile a sync driver maintenance program on fbsd-stable. I keep getting compiler errors: ft1config.o: In function `run_interactive': ft1config.o(.text+0x565): undefined reference to `initscr' ft1config.o(.text+0x56a): undefined reference to `cbreak' ft1config.o(.text+0x56f): undef

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Mitch Collinsworth
>If you think Microsoft doesn't have 64-bit NT in development for Merced, >you're being awfully gullible. I don't think anyone has suggested it's not being developed. Only that NT is Not There today. (And that we'd all just love to have a FBSD port available when systems start shipping! :-)

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Wes Peters
Jay West wrote: > > Keep in mind that the merced chip was not really designed or created by > Intel at all. No, you're confusing terms here. Merced is a particular chip, like Tillamook is a specific Pentium. HP designed the 64-bit architecture in the Merced, what will become the "IA64", but In

Re: Splash screen problem after being interrupted

1999-08-27 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:34:03PM -0700, Doug wrote: > Tonight while testing my rc file changes I decided to interrupt > the splash screen display I have to see the boot messages. I hit [...] > Obviously this is a "... well don't do that" case, but I'm not > sure it should be fatal. H

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Wes Peters
Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > >> I recall a conversation not long ago with a sysadmin in the business > >> school here. I was asking what their typical laptop configuration was > >> and was told that some members of their faculty were quite particular > >> about finding out what their colleagues

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Wes Peters
Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > ?? I thought we had already established that neither Linux or NT runs > on Merced, only HP-UX so far. I would certainly like to see a FBSD > port as I imagine we will be seeing Merced-based systems here quite > early on. Nope, it was reported last week a group at I

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Wes Peters wrote ... > Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > > > ?? I thought we had already established that neither Linux or NT runs > > on Merced, only HP-UX so far. I would certainly like to see a FBSD > > port as I imagine we will be seeing Merced-based systems here quite > > early on. > > Nop

Re: Excluded Include ?

1999-08-27 Thread Kevin Day
> > I am trying to compile a sync driver maintenance program on fbsd-stable. I > keep getting compiler errors: > > ft1config.o: In function `run_interactive': > ft1config.o(.text+0x565): undefined reference to `initscr' > ft1config.o(.text+0x56a): undefined reference to `cbreak' > ft1config.o(.

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Jay West
I had written. >>As a matter of fact, the standard version of merced includes the PA-RISC >>engine along with an x86 instruction decoder. To which you replied... >Uh, no. > >The Merced does not do PA-RISC decoding in hardware. Period. Wrong. I wish I could send you the Internal design pap

Excluded Include ?

1999-08-27 Thread Jim Flowers
I am trying to compile a sync driver maintenance program on fbsd-stable. I keep getting compiler errors: ft1config.o: In function `run_interactive': ft1config.o(.text+0x565): undefined reference to `initscr' ft1config.o(.text+0x56a): undefined reference to `cbreak' ft1config.o(.text+0x56f): unde

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Mitch Collinsworth
>If you think Microsoft doesn't have 64-bit NT in development for Merced, >you're being awfully gullible. I don't think anyone has suggested it's not being developed. Only that NT is Not There today. (And that we'd all just love to have a FBSD port available when systems start shipping! :-)

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Wes Peters
Jay West wrote: > > Keep in mind that the merced chip was not really designed or created by > Intel at all. No, you're confusing terms here. Merced is a particular chip, like Tillamook is a specific Pentium. HP designed the 64-bit architecture in the Merced, what will become the "IA64", but I

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Jim Bryant
In reply: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > > > In article > > > > you write: > > Look, people, the Merced WILL NOT excuse PA-RISC code directly. It will be > > done via emulation/translation, and only a certain particular OS will be > > supported (HP-UX 11, I believe they stated

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Wes Peters
Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > >> I recall a conversation not long ago with a sysadmin in the business > >> school here. I was asking what their typical laptop configuration was > >> and was told that some members of their faculty were quite particular > >> about finding out what their colleagues

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD???

1999-08-27 Thread Wes Peters
Mitch Collinsworth wrote: > > ?? I thought we had already established that neither Linux or NT runs > on Merced, only HP-UX so far. I would certainly like to see a FBSD > port as I imagine we will be seeing Merced-based systems here quite > early on. Nope, it was reported last week a group at

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going > even slower (256Kb!). Why do you wnat to do this? If for bandwidht limiting you need look no further than 'dummynet'. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | Fre

Re: NSS Project

1999-08-27 Thread Oscar Bonilla
On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 01:33:03PM -0500, John Sconiers wrote: > > I was looking for followups to this thread and have searched the archives > for more information without luck. I have a few questions. Has this > project furthered any and where can one get the diffs / source??? Is > there a web

Re: HEADS UP Reviewers. VFS changes to be committed.

1999-08-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Uhm, have any of you actually ever looked at src/sys/kern/vnode_if.src ? Poul-Henning In message <199908272018.qaa22...@shekel.mcl.cs.columbia.edu>, Erez Zadok write s: >In message <199908261727.kaa23...@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon writes: >[...] >> I would ask two things though: >

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-08-27 Thread Oliver Fromme
Maybe this is nit-picking, too, buth those are just my 0.02 Euros... Doug wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > -# this file, but rather in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Please check this file > +# this file, but rather in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Please check that file I'd prefer to keep it with two spaces

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Jim Bryant
In reply: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > > > In article ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >you write: > > Look, people, the Merced WILL NOT excuse PA-RISC code directly. It will be > > done via emulation/translation, and only a certain particular OS will be > > supported (HP-UX 11, I belie

Re: HEADS UP Reviewers. VFS changes to be committed.

1999-08-27 Thread Erez Zadok
In message <199908261727.kaa23...@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon writes: [...] > I would ask two things though: > > * First, please add comprehensive /* */ comments in front of each > vfsnop_*() procedure explaining what it does, why it returns what > it returns,

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > In article > > you write: > Look, people, the Merced WILL NOT excuse PA-RISC code directly. It will be > done via emulation/translation, and only a certain particular OS will be > supported (HP-UX 11, I believe they stated -- since HP-UX 11 runs al

Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: > I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going > even slower (256Kb!). Why do you wnat to do this? If for bandwidht limiting you need look no further than 'dummynet'. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | Fr

Re: NSS Project

1999-08-27 Thread Oscar Bonilla
On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 01:33:03PM -0500, John Sconiers wrote: > > I was looking for followups to this thread and have searched the archives > for more information without luck. I have a few questions. Has this > project furthered any and where can one get the diffs / source??? Is > there a we

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Jim Bryant
In reply: > In article > > you write: > >Actually, I was reading in a newsgroup, the VMS newsgroup I think it was, > >that the PA-RISC chip is on the Merced chip. Basically, Intel will sell > >Merced's with the chip disabled (kind of like the math co-processor on the > >486 SX's) and HP will se

Re: HEADS UP Reviewers. VFS changes to be committed.

1999-08-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Uhm, have any of you actually ever looked at src/sys/kern/vnode_if.src ? Poul-Henning In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erez Zadok write s: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Dillon writes: >[...] >> I would ask two things though: >> >> * First, please add comprehensive /* */ comm

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-08-27 Thread Oliver Fromme
Maybe this is nit-picking, too, buth those are just my 0.02 Euros... Doug wrote in list.freebsd-hackers: > -# this file, but rather in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Please check this file > +# this file, but rather in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. Please check that file I'd prefer to keep it with two space

Re: HEADS UP Reviewers. VFS changes to be committed.

1999-08-27 Thread Erez Zadok
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Dillon writes: [...] > I would ask two things though: > > * First, please add comprehensive /* */ comments in front of each > vfsnop_*() procedure explaining what it does, why it returns what > it returns, locking requirements (if

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > In article ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >you write: > Look, people, the Merced WILL NOT excuse PA-RISC code directly. It will be > done via emulation/translation, and only a certain particular OS will be > supported (HP-UX 11, I believe they stated -- sinc

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Jim Bryant
In reply: > In article ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >you write: > >Actually, I was reading in a newsgroup, the VMS newsgroup I think it was, > >that the PA-RISC chip is on the Merced chip. Basically, Intel will sell > >Merced's with the chip disabled (kind of like the math co-processor on the > >486 SX

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Sean Eric Fagan
In article you write: >Actually, I was reading in a newsgroup, the VMS newsgroup I think it was, >that the PA-RISC chip is on the Merced chip. Basically, Intel will sell >Merced's with the chip disabled (kind of like the math co-processor on the >486 SX's) and HP will sell it with the PA-RISC c

Re: NSS Project

1999-08-27 Thread John Sconiers
I was looking for followups to this thread and have searched the archives for more information without luck. I have a few questions. Has this project furthered any and where can one get the diffs / source??? Is there a website that goes in depth about the project. JOHN > Following on the

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-08-27 Thread Doug
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > [ I'm nit-picking here, feel free to ignore ] A) You're in really good company. :) B) I expected a lot of nits to be picked on this project, which is why I wanted to do a "first draft" and solicit comments. I'm not overly concerned a

Re: Looking for good QA tests... Part 2..

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew Jacob
Raw pattern checker...less well polished...runs on a lot of platforms... Avoids trashing disk labels... Usage is a little less than obvious... 1. patchk RAWDISK TransferSize c Create/Validate/Test patterns.. creates patterns in TransferSize chunks..validates that they were correctly written, t

Re: Looking for good QA tests... Part 1..

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew Jacob
A bit of cleanup and filing off of serial numbers, etc... test script && c program... very stupid test, except that in large doses brings systems to their knees and very much exercises buffer ownership issues. The test looks too stupid to catch things, but believe me, it does. #!/bin/sh # # Copy

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-08-27 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Doug wrote: > > Ok, revised diff attached. I made the case indentation change and some > of > sheldon's suggestions are incorporated. I also neglected to mention > previously that I tuned up a few of the comments in the file, as well as > error output. I also was more

Re: Intel Merced FreeBSD??? Intel? - NOT

1999-08-27 Thread Sean Eric Fagan
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >Actually, I was reading in a newsgroup, the VMS newsgroup I think it was, >that the PA-RISC chip is on the Merced chip. Basically, Intel will sell >Merced's with the chip disabled (kind of like the math co-processor on the >486 SX's) and HP will sell i

IP address caching bug?

1999-08-27 Thread Dennis
It seems that an interface configured with an address, which is then deleted, and then set to a different address on the same network, the machine continues to use the original address although all evidence of it is gone. examples. ifconfig fxp0 207.252.1.31 netmask 255.255.255.0 ping something

Re: NSS Project

1999-08-27 Thread John Sconiers
I was looking for followups to this thread and have searched the archives for more information without luck. I have a few questions. Has this project furthered any and where can one get the diffs / source??? Is there a website that goes in depth about the project. JOHN > Following on the

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-08-27 Thread Doug
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > [ I'm nit-picking here, feel free to ignore ] A) You're in really good company. :) B) I expected a lot of nits to be picked on this project, which is why I wanted to do a "first draft" and solicit comments. I'm not overly concerned

Re: Looking for good QA tests... Part 2..

1999-08-27 Thread Matthew Jacob
Raw pattern checker...less well polished...runs on a lot of platforms... Avoids trashing disk labels... Usage is a little less than obvious... 1. patchk RAWDISK TransferSize c Create/Validate/Test patterns.. creates patterns in TransferSize chunks..validates that they were correctly written,

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