Re: Remove debug echo

2011-12-15 Thread Max Khon
Garrett, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> If someone would please, PLEASE commit this.. I will give you beer, or > >> wine, or a copy of Skyrim, or a few months subscription to WoW, or > >> something else of value to you that we could negotiate :)... I'm quite > >> fran

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1Server

2011-12-15 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: "Michael Larabel" I was the on that carried out the testing and know that it was on the same system. All of the testing, including the system tables, is fully automated. Under FreeBSD sometimes the parsing of some component strings isn't as nice as Linu

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Stefan Esser
Am 15.12.2011 11:10, schrieb Michael Larabel: > No, the same hardware was used for each OS. > > In terms of the software, the stock software stack for each OS was used. Just curious: Why did you choose ZFS on FreeBSD, while UFS2 (with journaling enabled) should be an obvious choice since it is mo

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: […] > That said: thrown out, data ignored, done. > > Now what? Where are we? We're right back where we were a day or two > ago; meaning no closer to solving the dilemma reported by users and > SCHED_ULE. Heck, we're not even sure if there is

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 15.12.2011 11:10, schrieb Michael Larabel: >> No, the same hardware was used for each OS. >> >> In terms of the software, the stock software stack for each OS was used. > > Just curious: Why did you choose ZFS on FreeBSD, while UFS2 (with >

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Sergey Matveychuk
15.12.2011 17:36, Michael Larabel пишет: On 12/15/2011 07:25 AM, Stefan Esser wrote: Am 15.12.2011 11:10, schrieb Michael Larabel: No, the same hardware was used for each OS. In terms of the software, the stock software stack for each OS was used. Just curious: Why did you choose ZFS on FreeB

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
15.12.2011 15:48, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: I'm getting to the point where I'm considering formulating a private mail to Jeff Roberson, requesting that he be aware of the discussion that's happening (not that he necessarily follow or read it), and that based on what I can tell we're at a roadblock -

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Pieter de Goeje
Op 15-12-2011 8:32, O. Hartmann schreef: Just saw this shot benchmark on Phoronix dot com today: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNzA It may be worth to discuss the sad performance of FBSD in some parts of the benchmark. A difference of a factor 10 or 100 is simply far bey

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Attilio Rao
2011/12/14 Mike Tancsa : > On 12/13/2011 7:01 PM, m...@freebsd.org wrote: >> >> Has anyone experiencing problems tried to set sysctl >> kern.sched.steal_thresh=1 ? >> >> I don't remember what our specific problem at $WORK was, perhaps it >> was just interrupt threads not getting serviced fast enou

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Attilio Rao
2011/12/13 Jeremy Chadwick : > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:47:57PM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: >> > Not fully right, boinc defaults to run on idprio 31 so this isn't an >> > issue. And yes, there are cases where SCHED_ULE shows much better >> > performance then SCHED_4BSD.  [...] >> >> Do we have any

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/15/2011 11:26 AM, Attilio Rao wrote: > > Hi Mike, > was that just the same codebase with the switch SCHED_4BSD/SCHED_ULE? Hi Attilio, It was the same codebase. > Could you retry the bench checking CPU usage and possible thread > migration around for both cases? I can, but how do

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Attilio Rao
2011/12/15 Mike Tancsa : > On 12/15/2011 11:26 AM, Attilio Rao wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> was that just the same codebase with the switch SCHED_4BSD/SCHED_ULE? > > Hi Attilio, >        It was the same codebase. > > >> Could you retry the bench checking CPU usage and possible thread >> migration aroun

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/15/2011 11:42 AM, Attilio Rao wrote: > > I'm thinking now to a better test-case for this: can you try that on a > tmpfs volume? There is enough RAM in the box so that it should not touch the disk, and I was sending the output to /dev/null, so it was not writing to the disk. > > Also what

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Attilio Rao
2011/12/15 Mike Tancsa : > On 12/15/2011 11:42 AM, Attilio Rao wrote: >> >> I'm thinking now to a better test-case for this: can you try that on a >> tmpfs volume? > > There is enough RAM in the box so that it should not touch the disk, and > I was sending the output to /dev/null, so it was not wri

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread O. Hartmann
Am 12/15/11 14:51, schrieb Daniel Kalchev: > > On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Stefan Esser wrote: > >> Am 15.12.2011 11:10, schrieb Michael Larabel: >>> No, the same hardware was used for each OS. >>> >>> In terms of the software, the stock software stack for each OS was used. >> >> Just curious: W

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread O. Hartmann
Am 12/15/11 14:58, schrieb Daniel Kalchev: > > On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > […] >> That said: thrown out, data ignored, done. >> >> Now what? Where are we? We're right back where we were a day or two >> ago; meaning no closer to solving the dilemma reported by users a

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:58 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: > Am 12/15/11 14:51, schrieb Daniel Kalchev: >> >> On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Stefan Esser wrote: >> >>> Am 15.12.2011 11:10, schrieb Michael Larabel: No, the same hardware was used for each OS. In terms of the software, the stoc

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread O. Hartmann
Am 12/15/11 15:20, schrieb Steven Hartland: > With all the discussion I thought I'd give a buildworld > benchmark a go here on a spare 24 core machine. ULE > tested fine but with 4BSD it wont even boot panicing > with the following:- > http://screensnapr.com/v/hwysGV.png > > This is on a clean 8.2

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Chris Rees
On 15 December 2011 17:58, O. Hartmann wrote: > Since ZFS in Linux can only be achieved via FUSE (ad far as I know), it > is legitimate to compare ZFS and ext4. It would be much more competetive > to compare Linux BTRFS and FreeBSD ZFS. > Er... does ext4 guarantee data integrity? You're not com

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Attilio Rao
2011/12/15 Jeremy Chadwick : > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 05:26:27PM +0100, Attilio Rao wrote: >> 2011/12/13 Jeremy Chadwick : >> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:47:57PM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: >> >> > Not fully right, boinc defaults to run on idprio 31 so this isn't an >> >> > issue. And yes, there ar

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Ivan Klymenko
В Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:02:44 +0100 Attilio Rao пишет: > 2011/12/15 Jeremy Chadwick : > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 05:26:27PM +0100, Attilio Rao wrote: > >> 2011/12/13 Jeremy Chadwick : > >> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:47:57PM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: > >> >> > Not fully right, boinc defaults to r

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/15/2011 11:56 AM, Attilio Rao wrote: > So, as very first thing, can you try the following: > - Same codebase, etc. etc. > - Make the test 4 times, discard the first and ministat for the other 3 > - Reboot > - Change the steal_thresh value > - Make the test 4 times, discard the first and minis

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > On 15 December 2011 17:58, O. Hartmann wrote: >> Since ZFS in Linux can only be achieved via FUSE (ad far as I know), it >> is legitimate to compare ZFS and ext4. It would be much more competetive >> to compare Linux BTRFS and FreeBSD ZFS. >>

Re: SCHED_ULE should not be the default

2011-12-15 Thread Attilio Rao
2011/12/15 Mike Tancsa : > On 12/15/2011 11:56 AM, Attilio Rao wrote: >> So, as very first thing, can you try the following: >> - Same codebase, etc. etc. >> - Make the test 4 times, discard the first and ministat for the other 3 >> - Reboot >> - Change the steal_thresh value >> - Make the test 4 t

Idea for change to boot0

2011-12-15 Thread Andrew Boyer
These two changes allow you to set PXE as the default MBR boot selection, which enables you to write a 'reboot to the network' script. We've found it to be very useful. What do people think? Thanks, Andrew > Index: usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c > ===

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Chris Rees
On 15 Dec 2011 21:25, "Kevin Oberman" wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 15 December 2011 17:58, O. Hartmann wrote: > >> Since ZFS in Linux can only be achieved via FUSE (ad far as I know), it > >> is legitimate to compare ZFS and ext4. It would be much more co

Re: Idea for change to boot0

2011-12-15 Thread Craig Rodrigues
Hi, This is interesting. I wrote some newer documentation for PXE booting here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-pxe-nfs.html In 32.8.4, bullet item 1, I mentioned that it is necessary to configure network booting in the BIOS menu. With your change, is entering the BIOS menu to confi

Re: dogfooding over in clusteradm land

2011-12-15 Thread Don Lewis
On 14 Dec, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <1323868832.5283.9.ca...@hitfishpass-lx.corp.yahoo.com>, Sean > Bruno > writes: > >>We're seeing what looks like a syncher/ufs resource starvation on 9.0 on >>the cvs2svn ports conversion box. I'm not sure what resource is tapped >>out. > > Sear

Re: Idea for change to boot0

2011-12-15 Thread Andrew Boyer
On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > Hi, > > This is interesting. I wrote some newer documentation for PXE booting > here: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-pxe-nfs.html > > In 32.8.4, bullet item 1, I mentioned that it is necessary to > configure network booting in

Re: dogfooding over in clusteradm land

2011-12-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/14/2011 05:20, Sean Bruno wrote: > We're seeing what looks like a syncher/ufs resource starvation on 9.0 on > the cvs2svn ports conversion box. ... sounds like a good reason not to migrate the history to me. :) -- [^L] Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowl

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Arnaud Lacombe
Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: > Just saw this shot benchmark on Phoronix dot com today: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNzA > it might be worth highlighting that despite Oracle Linux 6.1 Server is using a kernel + compiler almost 2 years old, i

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Alex Kuster
On 12/16/2011 02:41, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: Just saw this shot benchmark on Phoronix dot com today: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNzA it might be worth highlighting that despite Oracle Linux 6.1 Server is using

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread Joe Holden
Arnaud Lacombe wrote: Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 AM, O. Hartmann wrote: Just saw this shot benchmark on Phoronix dot com today: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNzA it might be worth highlighting that despite Oracle Linux 6.1 Server is using a kernel + compiler a

Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server

2011-12-15 Thread O. Hartmann
On 12/16/11 07:44, Joe Holden wrote: > Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 AM, O. Hartmann >> wrote: >>> Just saw this shot benchmark on Phoronix dot com today: >>> >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNzA >>> >> it might be worth highlighting that