Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Murray
Terry Lambert writes: > Mark Murray wrote: > > Will it be runnable (as in tested), rather than a compile-only fix? > > Is "tested" a requirement fo code to be committed or to have it > stay in the tree? Both. > Be careful of your answer, unless you are willing to remove all > code that does not

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Here are two patches. The first fixes missing pieces in /sys/conf/files > > and /sys/conf/options, the second fixes all the files that need it in > > /sys/netns/. > > You seem to have posted the wrong patch. > > This is against 4.x, not -current, and

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Petri Helenius wrote: > > seems to me that one useful question is whether the netns code > > being there non-trivially complicates maintenance and/or > > reliability of other code, and can i compile or module it out if > > the bits it occupies really bothers me? > > > This is probably the right que

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > Only if it kills this _really_ dumb debate. In time, it will no longer > compile, and then the situation will be the same as just punting to the > Attic without the "fix". Only if some idiot breaks the API contract again. Whatever happened to "you broke it, you fix it"? Hop

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: > > Here is a single patch vs. 5.x. > > > > I believe this makes it actually work. >^ >huh? This is untested? Will you accept interoperability between two FreeBSD boxes? A FreeBSD box and a NetBSD box? > > Please apply this to the code, even if you are inte

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:24:39PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > For heaven's sake! *It has only been 3 days* since the code > was threatened! What do you expect *in 3 days*!?! > The code has been broken for 7 years. You've had ample time to fix and *maintain* this code. Points moot, anywa

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Steve Kargl wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:24:39PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > For heaven's sake! *It has only been 3 days* since the code > > was threatened! What do you expect *in 3 days*!?! > > > > The code has been broken for 7 years. You've > had ample time to fix and *maintain* t

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Peter Wemm
"=?iso-8859-1?q?Pedro=20F.=20Giffuni?=" wrote: > Guys; > > I have to agree with Terry that the fixes for netns > should be committed, and furthermore they should be > MFC (using his first patch perhaps). It's a nightmare > to try to rescue anything from the Attic, at least it > would be nice to ha

Re: USB port periodically dies, now with complete body text

2003-03-05 Thread Cliff L. Biffle
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 04:46 am, Bernd Walter wrote: > > I've been having a reliable USB issue on my 5-current box (3 Mar, > > 23:58:25 MST). It's been happening since I upgraded to -current in the > > DP2 days, and has happened on two completely independent motherboards. > > On the more recent

Sony VAIO, psm and acpi

2003-03-05 Thread Paul Wankadia
After seeing the "yet another Sony Vaio PS/2 mouse ID" commits to src/sys/isa/psm.c from six weeks ago, I've hacked my src/sys/dev/acpica/acpi.c so now acpi_isa_pnp_probe() will try the compatibility ID like isa_pnp_probe() does in src/sys/isa/isa_common.c. It's quite trivial, so is there some reas

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Mark Murray wrote: > > > Will it be runnable (as in tested), rather than a compile-only fix? > > > > Is "tested" a requirement fo code to be committed or to have it > > stay in the tree? > > Both. Cool. Then I have a long list of things that can be

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread M. Warner Losh
De: Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-03-05 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version ] > On the other hand, there's no compelling reason to dike it out, > if it can be made to work. I would argue that ISA support is > more or less just as obsolete, as i

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Petri Helenius
M. Warner Losh wrote: ISA support is not obsolete. All new PCs still have ISA busses. They might not have ISA Expansion Bus Slots, but they all[*] still connect their serial ports, parallel ports, and mouse/keyboard ports via ISA. Not to mention i8254 which gets to be major pain if ACPI would

libalias/NAT incremental checksum (was Re: Removal of netns)

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > > How long can this remain unfixed before the code is diked out, > > and the checksum is recalculated fully, instead? > > Terry, you sound rather foolish when you argue like this. This > is semantic tomfoolery and off topic. End of thread. This is not a argument over mere imp

Re: A few 5.0-Release questions...

2003-03-05 Thread John Wilson
--- Chris Shenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, I had absolutely no trouble booting and > installing 5.0-R on my 600SC, with the DELL-supplied CERC > RAID card (amr device recognized it, but it drives 4x > ATA disks rather than SCSI), and an Intel gigabit > ether card. Got X11 working on it r

Re: A few 5.0-Release questions...

2003-03-05 Thread Chris Shenton
John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --- Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Dell PowerEdge] > > What model? There are quite a few PowerEdges out > > It's a 600SC - P4 1.8 - Perc3/SC FWIW, I had absolutely no trouble booting and installing 5.0-R on my 600SC, with the DELL-supplied CER

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