Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:29:12PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > No, everything seems real - at least Matt replies to e-mails > > sent to him on this topic. There is also a live nntp server > > up and running @ dragonflybsd.org, I saw Matt and Terry Lambert > > discussing k

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-20 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Wouldn't it be possible to achive the same result without the VFS with :well organized lib subdirs? like "usr/lib/xyzlib1.2/" and :"usr/lib/xyzlib1.3/" which would maintain the install for any given :version of a lib? In other words, instead of just dumping all the libs :into the one place, yo

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-19 Thread Jon Disnard
Matthew Dillon wrote: A Packaging system is a very important piece of any distribution. Our goal will be to create a packaging system that, via VFS 'environments', causes any particular package to see only the dependancies that it depends on, and the proper version of said dependa

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-19 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Matthew, :OK, you want a divergent kernel, EG src/sys/ , fair enough. : : - Are there any benefits to the BSD community in having :a 4th BSD bin/ sbin/ usr.bin/ usr.sbin/ ? :Can you not share & co-operate with toolset maintainers of NetBSD :or OpenBSD, even if you can't work with so

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-18 Thread Pierrick Brossin
> What does that have to do with anything? Matt is free to spend his time > and resources as he sees fit. There is no "BSD project fork approval board". I guess it was just a question don't flame him... -- Pierrick Brossin IT Employee - Quark Media House Switzerland Mail: pbrossin_AT_swissgeeks

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-18 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:47:48PM +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: > - Are there any benefits to the BSD community in having > a 4th BSD bin/ sbin/ usr.bin/ usr.sbin/ ? What does that have to do with anything? Matt is free to spend his time and resources as he sees fit. There is no "BSD projec

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-18 Thread Julian Stacey
Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: > To: "Julian Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:48:17 +0200 > Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Idiot. > > $ whois dragonflybsd.org > [...] > Registrant: >Matthew Di

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-18 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
"Julian Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted > by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of > poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone > number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CR> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Brian Reichert wrote: CR> CR> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:56:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: CR> > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Gregory Sutter wrote: CR> > > CR> > > To drag this back to more intere

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:29:12PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > No, everything seems real - at least Matt replies to e-mails > sent to him on this topic. There is also a live nntp server > up and running @ dragonflybsd.org, I saw Matt and Terry Lambert > discussing kernel things this morning there

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> before :complaints start up. We can advertise later, if it's necessary. :> :> I've got a bunch of mailing lists already set up on dragonflybsd.org. :I didn't notice. Sorry for stepping all over you. : :LER : :Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler No biggy! I w

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Larry Rosenman
--On Thursday, July 17, 2003 19:35:54 -0700 Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :> I also have the disk space. :> :> Let me know if you are interested. : :I'm happy with it, but right now, until we get a bit more organized, we :only need one yea vote: Matt's. I *don't* want to inconvenie

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> I also have the disk space. :> :> Let me know if you are interested. : :I'm happy with it, but right now, until we get a bit more organized, we :only need one yea vote: Matt's. I *don't* want to inconvenience his plans :any (especially not when I'm really sure I don't understand them all :yet).

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Gregory Sutter
On 2003-07-17 21:31 -0400, Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > > I have a 768/768 DSL line, and mailman all set up. > > > > I also have the disk space. > > > > Let me know if you are interested. > > I'm happy with it, but right now, until we get

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Gregory Sutter
On 2003-07-17 21:10 -0400, Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Brian Reichert wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:56:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > > > > To drag this back to more interesting topics, I'm not yet convinced that > > > branching off 4.X is a good thin

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Chuck Robey
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Larry Rosenman wrote: > I have a 768/768 DSL line, and mailman all set up. > > I also have the disk space. > > Let me know if you are interested. I'm happy with it, but right now, until we get a bit more organized, we only need one yea vote: Matt's. I *don't* want to inconve

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Larry Rosenman
I have a 768/768 DSL line, and mailman all set up. I also have the disk space. Let me know if you are interested. LER --On Thursday, July 17, 2003 21:10:26 -0400 Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Brian Reichert wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:56:56PM -0400, Chuck

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Chuck Robey
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Brian Reichert wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:56:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > > > To drag this back to more interesting topics, I'm not yet convinced that > > branching off 4.X is a good thing. > > Gosh, if only there w

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Brian Reichert
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 08:56:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > To drag this back to more interesting topics, I'm not yet convinced that > branching off 4.X is a good thing. Gosh, if only there were a DragonFly BSD mailing list, so we _can_ keep on to

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Chuck Robey
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Gregory Sutter wrote: To drag this back to more interesting topics, I'm not yet convinced that branching off 4.X is a good thing. I see all the mound of work to make things work with mutexes, and it still seems like a good thing, and something that CAN be still leveraged, eve

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Gregory Sutter
On 2003-07-17 08:57 -0700, Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Julian Stacey wrote: > > Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> appeared to write: > > > > > Announcing DragonFly BSD! > > > http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ > >

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread ROBERT GARRETT
I'm doing a build world of dragonfly now, this is definately not vaporware, or a troll. what they are doing could open up several new and interesting areas for bsd. While it's true that most branches of the bsd tree have occured over people issues. This one looks like it will stand on technical m

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> anyway, not our Latin alphabet ] effort, a dubious idea to divide :> the number of shoulders that load sits on. There's already another :> cross platform ports project anyway (Freshports?) :> - A new distribution mechanism (whatever) ? maybe - but again :> if better, that technology sho

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Hmm, typing this command a second time I nopw see extra info: :> Registrant: :>Matthew Dillon :>41 Vicente Rd :>Berkeley, CA 94705 :>US : :I've been to Matt's house before -- its real. He does have a T-1 at :home. : :-- :-- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) :P.S. I offer my home addre

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 05:14:05PM +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: > Hmm, typing this command a second time I nopw see extra info: > Registrant: >Matthew Dillon >41 Vicente Rd >Berkeley, CA 94705 >US I've been to Matt's house before -- its real. He does have a T-1 at home. -- -- Dav

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Evan Dower
From: "Julian Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard too, to

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Julian Stacey wrote: > Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted > by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of > poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone > number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra har

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Julian Stacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. [...] > Maybe this time the poster is the real Matthew Dillon, but I doubt it. Well, I fetched the DragonFly repository, and if this is a hoax, somebody went through an awful lot of work to make it look re

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Julian Stacey
I wrote > My guess is the original post was a fake masquerade, (what some call a > troll), the web site is probably the same. (Apologies to Matt if I'm > wrong, but the real Matt hopefuly appreciates us being cautious :-) whois dragonflybsd.org Created on: 14-JUL-03 Whois Ser

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Matthew Reimer
Julian Stacey wrote: Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard too, to also convince us. Mayb

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Maxim Sobolev
No, everything seems real - at least Matt replies to e-mails sent to him on this topic. There is also a live nntp server up and running @ dragonflybsd.org, I saw Matt and Terry Lambert discussing kernel things this morning there. I doubt that somebody will be able to impersonate both Matt and Terry

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-17 Thread Julian Stacey
Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard too, to also convince us. Maybe this time the poste

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> :> I stupidly misspelled 'announcing' in the subject line, : :Well, at least you didn't misspell your name... :-) : :> but it's very real. Check the site out: :> :> http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ : :The site looks interesting. All the kernel-level stuff is :pretty much over my head

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-16 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 1:58 PM -0700 7/16/03, Matthew Dillon wrote: : :Is it real or another troll? : :-Maxim I stupidly misspelled 'announcing' in the subject line, Well, at least you didn't misspell your name... :-) but it's very real. Check the site out: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ The site looks inte

Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :Is it real or another troll? : :-Maxim I stupidly misspelled 'announcing' in the subject line, but it's very real. Check the site out: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ It's basically the reason why I've been so quiet lately. I've been working 12 hours a day on proving t

Annoucning DragonFly BSD!

2003-07-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
Announcing DragonFly BSD! http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ Hello everyone! For the last few months I have been investigating and then working on a new approach to the BSD kernel. This has snowballed into a far more ambitious project