Mr Denninger

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
Oh, I think he douched with a molatov cocktail, after his boyfriend fisted him. >will somebody filter Mr Denninger from the list his >postings are beginning to to >irritate and look more and >more like the ravings of an offensive lunatic who drank >too much methanol during new years celebration

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami
* From: Karl Denninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, that was good! I'm going to nominate this for "this century's most amusing message on the FreeBSD lists" award. :) Satoshi "you can figure out which century I'm talking about" Asami To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubsc

Re: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE hardware specs, advice/experience requested

2000-01-02 Thread Nathan Kinsman
Mike Smith wrote: > > > I'm putting together some specs for a type of firewall appliance using > > the eventual released version of FreeBSD 4 (targeting 4.x because I need > > GCC 2.95.x as core compiler). My current machine specs use the > > following hardware which I am not yet sure will be

Mr Denninger has a problem

2000-01-02 Thread Richard Sather
will somebody filter Mr Denninger from the list his postings are beginning to to irritate and look more and more like the ravings of an offensive lunatic who drank too much methanol during new years celebrations To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" i

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Matthew Dillon wrote: > --> enters stage right > > ... opens door ... > heyy a party! And nobody invited me! > > U, Why's the piano broken in two and all the tables > overturned? Ahhh, whats with all the stares? guys?

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Matthew Dillon
--> enters stage right ... opens door ... heyy a party! And nobody invited me! U, Why's the piano broken in two and all the tables overturned? Ahhh, whats with all the stares? guys? Guys! exits stage l

Re: SUBMIT: compat.linux.pathmunge

2000-01-02 Thread Doug White
I'm bringing this back up to -current to kick around some more. We may want to move it to -emulators. On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > This isn't intended as a 'final solution' :-) The problem is *very* > > difficult since you're asking the syscall to intuit what the user/progra

Re: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE hardware specs, advice/experience requested

2000-01-02 Thread Mike Smith
> I'm putting together some specs for a type of firewall appliance using > the eventual released version of FreeBSD 4 (targeting 4.x because I need > GCC 2.95.x as core compiler). My current machine specs use the > following hardware which I am not yet sure will be well supported. > > FIC PAG-21

FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE hardware specs, advice/experience requested

2000-01-02 Thread Nathan Kinsman
Howdy all, I'm putting together some specs for a type of firewall appliance using the eventual released version of FreeBSD 4 (targeting 4.x because I need GCC 2.95.x as core compiler). My current machine specs use the following hardware which I am not yet sure will be well supported. FIC PAG-21

Re: new PCM problems

2000-01-02 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Thanks. I would've tried to fix it myself, but I am not too familiar with programming for a soundcard. I'm only famaliar with the ata driver right now. = | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around.| | Unix Syste

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Brian Fundakowski Feldman
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Kip Macy wrote: > > Any pointers to web pages on setting up a killfile? The signal to noise > ratio on this list is dropping rapidly. I haven't done it myself, but I know that you can read some of the documentation for procmail (/usr/ports/mail/procmail) and easily forward c

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Amancio Hasty
Hi David, My post is not really based upon the last Karl vs. Pohl thread. It is more on what I have observed quietly over the last few months . If the behavior is left unchecked you can rest assure that their will be more flares up. Again, to have waited for Karl to cool off is not that unrea

Re: new PCM problems

2000-01-02 Thread Brian Fundakowski Feldman
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > OK, there is still the static problem with the pcm driver with a ViBRA16X > soundcard. It also seems that the problem with xmms's analyzer is gone. > However, now whenever a sound that is shorter than roughly 1 second or so > plays, it gets cut sh

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Manfred Antar
At 08:20 PM 1/2/00 -0800, David Greenman wrote: > >He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him > >from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. > >That is not at all what happend. Karl went off the deep end about phk >recommending a Mo

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Sascha Schumann
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 09:59:28PM -0600, wrote: > He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him > from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. That does not excuse his style of communication. Shouting and calling people names

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread David Greenman
>He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him >from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. That is not at all what happend. Karl went off the deep end about phk recommending a Motorola GPS to do timekeeping. Then, after a pile of insu

The mails from dev-null

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Congratulations, Karl. You just proven to the world what a complete > asshole you really are. > > Now get out of here. We don't want you. Will whoever this is, please stop? There is no valid reason for anonymity here (and to be honest, in this si

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Amancio Hasty wrote: > I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing > people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end > and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on > him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) > > > By a long shot t

Re: Your misleading, no LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread ----
He is just expressing his point. From what I can tell someone removed him from the list with no reason and now he is angry. I probably would be too. Also, I can tell that someone is doing some good covering up. Its ashame to see leaders do this. Sam - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
Alright, that was childish and uncalled for. People need to learn to deal with these kinds of things differently. = | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best OS around.| | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726

Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
Congratulations, Karl. You just proven to the world what a complete asshole you really are. Now get out of here. We don't want you. -- This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at www.no-id.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread David Greenman
>I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing >people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end >and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on >him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) > > >By a long shot the problem is NOT Karl. It takes at least >TWO to

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Tony Maher
> I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing > people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end > and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on > him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) I dont think so. Whatever PHK may or may not have done in the pa

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread David Greenman
>Someone logged into HUB the EDITED me out of the CURRENT mailing list. As near as I can tell, noone with the ability to su was logged into hub earlier today when you claim that you were removed. As far as I know, noone had removed you. I have not seen any messages (other than your claim) or a

Re: latest version of threads library

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Do you know what the timeline is on this integration? -Kip On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Daniel Eischen wrote: > Kip Macy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry for sending this again but when I first sent it -current was > > embroiled in a flame war. > > > > I wou

Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Amancio Hasty
I have to say that PHK has become the MASTER at pissing people off, ensuring that his opponent goes the deep end and staying calm so the blame obviously does not fall on him. Got to admit his formula is very very nice 8) By a long shot the problem is NOT Karl. It takes at least TWO to engage

Re: latest version of threads library

2000-01-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
Kip Macy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry for sending this again but when I first sent it -current was > embroiled in a flame war. > > I would like to use the latest threads source because my application does > not work correctly with the signal handling bugs in 3.x's threads. > However, it do

Note about Majordomo (Re: Your misleading, no, LYING message to me)

2000-01-02 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > That's not the issue either. Again, someone logged into HUB and > removed me. > > Again, who was su'd or logged into the majordomo account (or any account > with write access to the list directories) a few hours ago? This isn't required ... with not

Your misleading, no, LYING message to me

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:55:50PM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (message from Karl > Denninger on Sun, 2 Jan 2000 18:50:17 -0600) > Sub

RE: One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Will Andrews wrote: > Theo split from NetBSD. Again, further ignorance. I suggest you sit down with a > copy of /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree and read a little history that you seem > to have missed. Cool, I never even knew that was there...now I have something to look at w

Re: One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is > a "fluke"; I run/maintain the PostgreSQL mailing lists ... there is a piece of software that you can "add on" called bouncefilter that auto-unsubscribes based on various criteria ..

latest version of threads library

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Sorry for sending this again but when I first sent it -current was embroiled in a flame war. I would like to use the latest threads source because my application does not work correctly with the signal handling bugs in 3.x's threads. However, it does not appear that I can change it without rep

Recent cat fighting in the FreeBSD mailing lists.

2000-01-02 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Karl, Hi, my name is Jonathan Bresler. I am the postmaster for FreeBSD. Usually, I tend to stay in the background and do the postmastering. The recent fractious behavior in the mailing lists has become so galling that I am forced to "come out from behind the curtain." Lets se

Re: One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > Theo was right in splitting off from you folks. I should have followed > him a couple of years ago and done my own split. Now, its simply not > worth it. Not that you'll listen, but: OpenBSD split from NetBSD. FreeBSD is and always has been a seper

Re: several procmail jobs hang ...

2000-01-02 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Andreas Klemm: > procmail 3.14 bug, or does the new procmail version introduce > some new features in area where in -current is something wrong. > Not easy to say for me ... Check your locking settings on both versions. You may find that you're using different locking mechanisms...

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 05:44:57PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > > We can point to the Internet's evolution of these "treehouse" organizations > and show off how PROUD we are of them and those who support them. > Let's start a nice short list, shall we? > > Network Solutions. > ARIN. > FreeBSD-

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:08:31PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > As for whoever the person is who force-removed me from the list, trust > me on this - I won't forget that act, and until you're identified and > permanently removed from both the list and the entire project you'll > have no contribu

Karl's day off

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
OK, enough of this, let Karl be on his own for a while. Stop responding, Karl's too mad to think clearly, and you guys are just baiting him. Anyone responding is asking for addition to the kill-file. I already posted this to ports, where the other part of this has unfortunately spilled into. I

Re: One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is > a "fluke"; This does not involve any of the rest of the list subscribers, and I'm sure the majority of us don't really want to see EITHER side's rantings. Really, grow up. If you w

RE: One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread Will Andrews
On 03-Jan-00 Karl Denninger wrote: > Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is > a "fluke"; > > All unsubscribes and subscribes to FreeBSD's lists must be > authenticated. Majordomo is set to confirm all transactions. It is still possible for Majordomo to

Re: 2 hours to compile mysql?

2000-01-02 Thread Stephan van Beerschoten
On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 01:32:19PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > The box is a 333MHz PII, with 64M ram. Do I just need more ram to be > > able to compile in reasonable time, or is something broken? > > You probably need more RAM. sql_yacc.cc is one of those "worst-case" > programs as far as gcc i

Re: One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Grow up. -Kip On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is > a "fluke"; > > All unsubscribes and subscribes to FreeBSD's lists must be > authenticated. Majordomo is set to confirm all trans

One final note and a "bite me" to you

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
Just for those of you who think this whole "magical unsubscribe" is a "fluke"; All unsubscribes and subscribes to FreeBSD's lists must be authenticated. Majordomo is set to confirm all transactions. Whoever did this did it directly by logging into Freefall and editing the maili

CORE-treehouse felling

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
Naw, it ain't worth the gas for the chainsaw. -- This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at www.no-id.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Any pointers to web pages on setting up a killfile? The signal to noise ratio on this list is dropping rapidly. -Kip To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
Doesn't change the facts Gary. This isn't the first time either Gary. Plausable deniability isn't going to wash here. -- -- Karl Denninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Web: http://childrens-justice.org Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for a plan to do exactly that! On

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results:

2000-01-02 Thread dev-null
In all the years I've known you, Karl, you've always thought you were so far above everyone else. Apparently, you get off on treating people like shit. Go away, we don't need your "contributions" here... I'm not sure we ever did. -- This message has been sent via an anonymous mail relay at w

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Gary Palmer
Karl Denninger wrote in message ID <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Uh, Matthew, I have the system logs here. I'm root. There was no bounce. Wrong side of the SMTP transaction Karl. Logs on the receiver mean *NOTHING*. And you don't have an account, or root, or access to the majordomo bounce mailbox on

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Greg Lehey
On Sunday, 2 January 2000 at 18:09:37 -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:05:22PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: >> On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: >> >>> Oh, so the treehouse maggots continue to fester, eh? >>> >>> Nice move shitheads. >>> >>> Do you intend to contin

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
Uh, Matthew, I have the system logs here. I'm root. There was no bounce. And yes, I do know how SMTP works too. Nice try though. -- -- Karl Denninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Web: http://childrens-justice.org Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for a plan to do exactl

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:58:57PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > Karl, I was my hands of this conversation. You aren't listening. > > We have custom hardware. We're a control and measurement system. The > <10ns is needed for that control and measurement part. The sync we > get of the system cl

Re: [Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Matthew Jacob
Uh, Karl, sometimes majordomo will get rampant and pull one w/o warning if there was a mail bounce. It may be a stupid mail robot problem, not a human out to get you. If so, you've directed your vituperation at the wrong ip address/port combo- try port 9 instead of port 25. On Sun, 2 Jan 2000,

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
Karl, I was my hands of this conversation. You aren't listening. We have custom hardware. We're a control and measurement system. The <10ns is needed for that control and measurement part. The sync we get of the system clock, like I said before, is on the order of a few hundred ns on pentium

[Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG: Majordomo results: which]

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
Oh, so the treehouse maggots continue to fester, eh? Nice move shitheads. Do you intend to continue? Consider this forwarded to Steve, a withdrawal of my port, and notice of my intent to post it along with a transcript on my web page for HomeDaemon. Who is the two-bit-peckerhead who removed my

HEADS-UP newppbus for beta-testing

2000-01-02 Thread Nicolas Souchu
Hi there! FOR ANYBODY THAT USES ZIP/PRINTER/PLIP ON THE PARALLEL PORT UNDER -current A major ppbus(4) release is available for beta-testing. It includes the port of the ppbus framework to the newbus system. http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/ppbus.html provides usefull notes about the configurati

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:37:31PM -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > How many millions does Paol have to count in HIS bank as a result of this > > shilling and "advocacy"? > > > > SOME OF US have *REAL* successes to point to - not just bullshit pats on

new PCM problems

2000-01-02 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
OK, there is still the static problem with the pcm driver with a ViBRA16X soundcard. It also seems that the problem with xmms's analyzer is gone. However, now whenever a sound that is shorter than roughly 1 second or so plays, it gets cut short. The sound doesn't completely play. I just thought I'

Re: several procmail jobs hang ...

2000-01-02 Thread Bernd Walter
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 08:00:03PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > A few days ago I updated -current and build /usr/local completely new. > One remaining problem is, that procmail jobs seems to hang. > First it was a port problem, I installed some (for me) basic services > in /home/local and procma

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > How many millions does Paol have to count in HIS bank as a result of this > shilling and "advocacy"? > > SOME OF US have *REAL* successes to point to - not just bullshit pats on the > back. Like eDNS, right? -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - B

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:31:22PM -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > Why the hell Walnut Creek wastes their money on your type REMAINS beyond > > my comprehension. > > It really hasn't been a problem for anyone but you. It's more successful, > then s

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:05:49PM -0800, David Schwartz wrote: > > > Now explain to me how stability of your timing source ON THOSE MACHINES > > is MATERIALLY different to any process WHICH THAT DEVICE MAY INTERACT WITH > > between 10ns and 1us, AS SEEN FROM THE UNIX MACHINE. > > A battle

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > Why the hell Walnut Creek wastes their money on your type REMAINS beyond > my comprehension. It really hasn't been a problem for anyone but you. It's more successful, then say, alternative top level domain projects that have gone nowhere. -- - bill

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 06:17:59PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > > If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all > > > the helpful answers you have gotten so far, you should consider > > > stopping before you have worn out your wel

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
Although your interaction is amusing, I subscribe to this mailing list to keep up to date on -current and not to see the script for the latest sitcom for geeks. -Kip To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:13:10PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:53:55PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:49:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > ..snip.. > > > If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all > > > the helpf

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Chuck Robey
On Sun, 2 Jan 2000, Karl Denninger wrote: > > If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all > > the helpful answers you have gotten so far, you should consider > > stopping before you have worn out your welcome. > > > > -- > > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam me

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:53:55PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:49:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: ..snip.. > > If you intend to keep up this "sour grapes" attitude, despite all > > the helpful answers you have gotten so far, you should consider > > stopping befor

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:50:35PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: > : Yes, you have HARDWARE timers that do that. > : > : So what? > : > : I'm talking about TIME SERVERS on UNIX machines. > > So am I. > > : You know, ntpd and friends? Yes, t

RE: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David Schwartz
> Now explain to me how stability of your timing source ON THOSE MACHINES > is MATERIALLY different to any process WHICH THAT DEVICE MAY INTERACT WITH > between 10ns and 1us, AS SEEN FROM THE UNIX MACHINE. A battle you would win is if you said, "synchronizing the time of other UNIX machi

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: > >Yes, you have HARDWARE timers that do that. > >So what? I have a commercially available PCI card which costs about the same as a good diskdrive... >I'm talking about TIME SERVERS on UNIX machines. > >You know, ntpd and friends? Yes, tha

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:49:08PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: > >On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:17:00PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: > >> > >> >Why spend twice what Mr. Schwart

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: : Yes, you have HARDWARE timers that do that. : : So what? : : I'm talking about TIME SERVERS on UNIX machines. So am I. : You know, ntpd and friends? Yes, that. That's one of the things in our application. : Now explain to me how stabi

latest version of threads library

2000-01-02 Thread Kip Macy
I would like to use the latest threads source because my application does not work correctly with the signal handling bugs in 3.x's threads. However, it does not appear that I can change it without replacing all of libc. Is this correct? Or is there some simple change I can make to the files in li

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: >On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:32:00PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: >> : Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? >> >> Because we need a PPS that is < 10nS from the true st

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: >On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:17:00PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: >> >> >Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? >> >> Well, suit your own political manifests as

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:42:24PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: > : And on what hardware do you think you can obtain 10ns resolution RELIABLY > : at the software level in the Unix environment and under FreeBSD? > : > : Answer: NONE! > > WRONG

tip features (cdelay and ldelay)?

2000-01-02 Thread Brian Dean
Hi, I have a couple of really dumb devices that I use 'tip' to talk to. One is a Motorola 6811 microcontroller and the other is an old EEPROM burner. I find that 'tip' overflows these devices when I'm sending Motorola s-record and Intel Hex formatted files. It looks like tip's 'cdelay' and 'lde

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: : And on what hardware do you think you can obtain 10ns resolution RELIABLY : at the software level in the Unix environment and under FreeBSD? : : Answer: NONE! WRONG. : The actual usable resolution of a timing source is determined by the

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:17:00PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: > > > >Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? > > > >For the Motorola name? Sorry, the Batwing Menace to employee's rights was > >long ago placed on my

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 03:32:00PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: > : Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? > > Because we need a PPS that is < 10nS from the true start of second for > our application? 1uS is really really

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: : Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? Because we need a PPS that is < 10nS from the true start of second for our application? 1uS is really really bad for the timing geeks in the audience. Warner To Unsubscribe: se

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: >Why spend twice what Mr. Schwartz seems to want to charge? > >For the Motorola name? Sorry, the Batwing Menace to employee's rights was >long ago placed on my "do not buy, do not recommend, actively boycott" list. Well, suit your own poli

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 02:33:35PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: > : That's EXPENSIVE. > > Worth every penny. We've seen sub-micro second syncronization with > our unit on good hardware, and 1-2us on the 486 based hardware. > > : Common handhe

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Denninger writes: : That's EXPENSIVE. Worth every penny. We've seen sub-micro second syncronization with our unit on good hardware, and 1-2us on the 486 based hardware. : Common handheld GPS units with NEMA outputs on them are well under $200 : these days! N

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
: >Still no feature freeze for 4.0 BTW? : : Feature freeze is in effect I think, but minor upgrades and bugfixes are : not only allowed, they're mandatory :-) Jordan told me that the feature freeze was put off until Jan 15. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscri

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : I will (as always) recommend the Motorola Oncore UT+. If you buy it We've also had excellent luck with the OEM version of the Oncore that we embed in our products. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscrib

False alarm ? (was Re: Weird interaction between cvs and a recent kernel)

2000-01-02 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Bonsoir, Well, I don't remember indulging (Lagavulin, Glen Deveron, what else ...), but I'm stumped : I can't reproduce what I've seen : a full "cvs co" of the ports and src has been running ok till its normal end. more after some make world's TfH Thierry Herbelot wrote: > >

RE: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread David Schwartz
> That sucks severely - NONE of the common units have the PPS output?! > > Barf. Oh well. Many of them do, but it's still not meant for precision timekeeping and the exact relationship between its PPS pulse edges and UTC's second boundaries may not be precisely specified. It's not a goo

Re: several procmail jobs hang ...

2000-01-02 Thread Andreas Klemm
Well, found out, that I don't have any problems using the previous version of procmail 3.13.1. So it's solved for me now. The remaining question is, is this a procmail 3.14 bug, or does the new procmail version introduce some new features in area where in -current is something wrong. Not easy to

several procmail jobs hang ...

2000-01-02 Thread Andreas Klemm
A few days ago I updated -current and build /usr/local completely new. One remaining problem is, that procmail jobs seems to hang. First it was a port problem, I installed some (for me) basic services in /home/local and procmail tried to call /usr/local/bin/formail. Now I recompiled procmail usin

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
That sucks severely - NONE of the common units have the PPS output?! Barf. Oh well. -- -- Karl Denninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Web: http://childrens-justice.org Isn't it time we started putting KIDS first? See the above URL for a plan to do exactly that! On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 05:42:24PM +0

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: >On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:55:44PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> >BTW, speaking of which, does anyone know of a reasonably-cheap GPS receiver >> >that (1) has an external-able antenna that will work with somewhere between >> >50 and

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:55:44PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > >BTW, speaking of which, does anyone know of a reasonably-cheap GPS receiver > >that (1) has an external-able antenna that will work with somewhere between > >50 and 100 feet of lead, and (2) has the appropriate pps outputs an

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ollivier Robert writes: >According to Poul-Henning Kamp: >> I'm sure Ollivier will upgrade us every so often now :-) > >'98i' looks like a nice release candidate and will probably become 4.1.0 >soon. I'll update us to that level of course. > >Still no feature freeze

[solicite review and confirmation of tcp for IPv6 patches]

2000-01-02 Thread Yoshinobu Inoue
Hello, I prepared tcp for IPv6 patches to the current. I would like it to be reviewed and confirmed in many environment before committing it, because I think updating tcp code is very critical to system stability. (Apps for tcp/IPv6 is not yet ready, but I think confirming that it doesn't harmful

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Poul-Henning Kamp: > I'm sure Ollivier will upgrade us every so often now :-) '98i' looks like a nice release candidate and will probably become 4.1.0 soon. I'll update us to that level of course. Still no feature freeze for 4.0 BTW? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Ser

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
>BTW, speaking of which, does anyone know of a reasonably-cheap GPS receiver >that (1) has an external-able antenna that will work with somewhere between >50 and 100 feet of lead, and (2) has the appropriate pps outputs and such >so it can be used for this? I will (as always) recommend the Motor

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 12:22:38PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: > > >> >Well... that won't help the 20 or so boxes here doing this all the > >> >time: > >> >Jan 1 11:26:46 gndrsh xntpd[133]: time reset (step) -0.217546 s > >> >Jan 1 11

Re: xntpd - VERY old folks, how about updating? :-)

2000-01-02 Thread Karl Denninger
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 12:20:35PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karl Denninger writes: > > >> >> Anyway, ntpd4 is in CURRENT... > >> > > >> >Now it is. > >> > > >> >And it works correctly too. > >> > >> In general yes, but not if you use the hardpps() with

Weird interaction between cvs and a recent kernel

2000-01-02 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Hello, I'm rebuilding my -Current box. it's been reinstalled anew from the FreeBSD 4.0-19991229-CURRENT snapshot. I have on another box the full repository of FreeBSD (source, ports, docs, ...) on another box, running 3.3-Stable and exporting the repository via NFS. I've tried to remake the wo

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