jsha wrote:
Hello.
I am writing this e-mail hoping that someone will share my thoughts
on how the world's best operating system should represent its attributes
and users to the rest of the world.
Being an architect as well as graphic designer, I feel it is about time
for a complete revamp of th
> I am writing this e-mail hoping that someone will share my thoughts
> on how the world's best operating system should represent its attributes
> and users to the rest of the world.
representations are secondary to function. there are markets for which
this relationship is inverted. cost of entry
jsha wrote:
Hello.
I am writing this e-mail hoping that someone will share my thoughts
on how the world's best operating system should represent its attributes
and users to the rest of the world.
I am new to FreeBSD, only one month of use or so. I come from Debian
GNU/Linux world and only wan
Sam wrote:
If we want to be taken seriously in the commercial world then we
need to have the right image.
Look ma, a strawman!
The concern you're addressing is the sort of thing distros
solved in the Linux world. Each typically has their own
"image," installer, system config style, etc. Mor
On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 01:54:31PM +0200, Daniel Blendea wrote:
> 1. bu**s**it, Beastie is **COOL** and would be a loss of identity if
> the logo would change;
> Dear Sir, please read the page where what greek daemons are explained..
Ignoring the whole beastie thing, because we've just done that w
From a business perspective we look amateurish.
I REALLY REALLY agree with this point, from the prospective of an
outsider the website and "Image" conveys a real lack of professionalism,
which is not true.
I'm looking at the start page for FreeBSD right now and here are the
things I do n
If we want to be taken seriously in the commercial world then we
need to have the right image.
Look ma, a strawman!
The concern you're addressing is the sort of thing distros
solved in the Linux world. Each typically has their own
"image," installer, system config style, etc. More importantly
>
> 1. Not only is the logo misleading (associating evil) but it also looks
>like something 10-year-olds could produce in Paint Shop Pro ten years
>ago. OpenBSD has an artistic touch to theirs, however I was very
>disappointed when I heard that the new NetBSD logo was in effect.
I wou
John-Mark Gurney wrote:
Nikolas Britton wrote this message on Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 22:46 -0600:
2. I cringe when I see Times New Roman, again redo the whole site with a
modern web font: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Etc. (ever here of Cascading
Style Sheets?)
you mean a sans-serif font?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikolas Britton
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:09 PM
> To: Chris
> >
> > Maybe you can start, The Queer-Eye for the BSD-Guy.
>
> If thats what it takes to get FreeBSD out of obscurity and into t
Nikolas Britton wrote this message on Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 22:46 -0600:
> 2. I cringe when I see Times New Roman, again redo the whole site with a
> modern web font: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Etc. (ever here of Cascading
> Style Sheets?)
you mean a sans-serif font? yes, most computer display fo
Nikolas Britton wrote:
From a business perspective we look amateurish.
I have held off thus far...
I REALLY REALLY agree with this point, from the prospective of an
outsider the website and "Image" conveys a real lack of professionalism,
which is not true.
No you don't - would you pr
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:46 pm, Nikolas Britton wrote:
> FreeBSD is badly in need of a PR/Design/Marketing department.
> ___
It also needs people who realise that multiple cross-posting is
deprecated.
Could this conversation please be moved to -advocacy a
Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 2004-12-23 23:02, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nikolas Britton wrote:
> > > 2. I cringe when I see Times New Roman, again redo the whole site
> > > with a modern web font: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Etc. (ever here of
> > > Cascading Style
On 2004-12-23 23:02, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nikolas Britton wrote:
>> 2. I cringe when I see Times New Roman, again redo the whole site
>> with a modern web font: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Etc. (ever here of
>> Cascading Style Sheets?)
>
> CSS? Isnt that a bit outdated? Isnt that more a
It was fun while it lasted. Please stop.
If you have to, move this to chat.
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Ramiro Aceves wrote:
> jsha wrote:
>> 1. Not only is the logo misleading (associating evil) but it also looks
>>like something 10-year-olds could produce in Paint Shop Pro ten years
>>ago. OpenBSD has an artistic touch to theirs, however I was very
>>disappointed when I heard that the n
Going to reply to the whole thread so far.
jsha said:
> 1. Not only is the logo misleading (associating evil) but it also looks
>like something 10-year-olds could produce in Paint Shop Pro ten years
Although I don't like the tone of the other replies, I agree with their
sentiment, beasty is a
On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:40:00PM -0800, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
> Nikolas Britton wrote this message on Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 22:46 -0600:
[ Choosing a random(ish) post to reply to - I am on holiday right now
and I will not pretend to have read the whole thread ]
> > 2. I cringe when I see Tim
This beyond a doubt is one of the best explanations that I have seen,
heard, expressed, etc., of how the fsck'ed up world of business does IT
stuff, and I have done IT consulting on various levels for over 18
years. Very well said Ted. It points out quite well why BSD in general
has a bad tim
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky'
> Vetterberg
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 PM
> To: Simon Burke
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
> Subject:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
nbritton wrote: gain this is are target market; consultants, integrators, vars,
etc. I
bet 80% of them don't even know FreeBSD exists and of the 20% that do
only 20% would consider using and recommending it based on technical
merit alone.
A var that has a thrivi
Hello.
I am writing this e-mail hoping that someone will share my thoughts
on how the world's best operating system should represent its attributes
and users to the rest of the world.
Being an architect as well as graphic designer, I feel it is about time
for a complete revamp of the visual aest
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger 'Rocky'
Vetterberg
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 PM
To: Simon Burke
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
On Dec 25, Nikolas Britton responded thusly:
Colin J. Raven wrote:
On Dec 25, Dag-Erling Smørgrav launched this into the bitstream:
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
One does not need to know how to rebuild an engine to know how to
drive the car.
One should not criticize the design of a
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:27:31 +0100
jsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am writing this e-mail hoping that someone will share my thoughts
> on how the world's best operating system should represent its attributes
> and users to the rest of the world.
You know that you write this a t a time where a
Frank Pawlak wrote:
This is one of several issues that have been brought up on an almost
periodic basis for the past several years. There have been several
attempts by various folks, including a rather ambitious one by this
author, and all have died because of severe lack of interest. It has
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> > Responding to Chris: CSS is neither outdated nor a Windows thing. You
> > apparently need to get an extra clue or two before you rejoin this
> > discussion.
> Not really - Some years back MS made a big issue about CSS. It was
> the
This is one of several issues that have been brought up on an almost
periodic basis for the past several years. There have been several
attempts by various folks, including a rather ambitious one by this author,
and all have died because of severe lack of interest. It has been a few
years sin
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On 2004-12-23 23:02, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Nikolas Britton wrote:
2. I cringe when I see Times New Roman, again redo the whole site
with a modern web font: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Etc. (ever here of
Casca
Simon Burke wrote:
[snip]
2. If it wasn't for the interesting content and structure of the FreeBSD
website, it would be among the less beautiful. Yes, it serves its
purpose well by being simple and straight to the point. But a redesign
could offer just the same -- simplicity and accuracy --
Chris wrote:
Nikolas Britton wrote:
From a business perspective we look amateurish.
I have held off thus far...
I REALLY REALLY agree with this point, from the prospective of an
outsider the website and "Image" conveys a real lack of
professionalism, which is not true.
No you do
Colin J. Raven wrote:
On Dec 25, Dag-Erling Smørgrav launched this into the bitstream:
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
One does not need to know how to rebuild an engine to know how to
drive the car.
One should not criticize the design of an engine while vehemently
claiming to have no i
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Responding to Chris: CSS is neither outdated nor a Windows thing. You
apparently need to get an extra clue or two before you rejoin this
discussion.
Not really - Some years back MS made a big issue abou
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
-Original Message- From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger
'Rocky' Vetterberg Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 PM To:
Simon Burke Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikolas Britton
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:50 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Simon Burke
> S
On Dec 25, Dag-Erling Smørgrav launched this into the bitstream:
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
One does not need to know how to rebuild an engine to know how to
drive the car.
One should not criticize the design of an engine while vehemently
claiming to have no interest in how enginges a
1. bu**s**it, Beastie is **COOL** and would be a loss of identity if
the logo would change;
Dear Sir, please read the page where what greek daemons are explained..
2. again, bu**s**it, the colors are not ugly at ALL, - and i'm not a
fan of site's color theme coz i prefer blue-ish colors - again, t
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