Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-17 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Vinzent Hoefler wrote: > On Thursday 16 March 2006 16:35, memsom wrote: > >> Pascal on Linux etc is niche. > > Yeah, that has always been my problem. Programming for environments and > in languages that are usually both considered niche. Not to forget (translated german idiom): only if you swim

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Thursday 16 March 2006 16:35, memsom wrote: > Pascal on Linux etc is niche. Yeah, that has always been my problem. Programming for environments and in languages that are usually both considered niche. Nonetheless I do it. And I even get fucking paid for it. And most important: It really wor

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Marco van de Voort
> > What he meant is that supporting fpc/lazarus development > > is a quite more tangible task than trying to buy and support delphi. > > No, he said "Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of > doing that?". Tha is a large dig at Delphi. Correct. > Until FPD is completely > c

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Rodrigo Palhano
Agreed. But talking about being realistic, buying delphi and supporting it seems quite an unrealistic attempt too. On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:40:03 -0300, memsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What he meant is that supporting fpc/lazarus development is a quite more tangible task than trying to buy and

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Florian Klaempfl
memsom wrote: >>> I'm sure Lazerus is a fine IDE, but it is not on a par with BDS. >> That depends on the POV. Lazarus has a lot of things Delphi/BDS doesn't >> have >> like multiplatform support and a good optimizing compiler etc, so you can >> also >> easily say BDS isn't on a par with FPC/Lazaru

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread memsom
> What he meant is that supporting fpc/lazarus development > is a quite more tangible task than trying to buy and support delphi. No, he said "Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of doing that?". Tha is a large dig at Delphi. Until FPD is completely compatible with Delphi 5 on

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread memsom
>> I'm sure Lazerus is a fine IDE, but it is not on a par with BDS. > > That depends on the POV. Lazarus has a lot of things Delphi/BDS doesn't > have > like multiplatform support and a good optimizing compiler etc, so you can > also > easily say BDS isn't on a par with FPC/Lazarus :) You're suf

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Donnerstag, den 16.03.2006, 09:24 +0100 schrieb Marco van de Voort: > While I'm not a .NET lover (I wrote the FPC section on .NET), but while > we all know that .NET is at best M$'s copy of Java, that doesn't mean that This will change with version 3 of .net, I looked at an article in the ger

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Thursday 16 March 2006 08:24, Marco van de Voort wrote: > While I'm not a .NET lover (I wrote the FPC section on .NET), but > while we all know that .NET is at best M$'s copy of Java, Well, it may be a copy, but if you take a closer look at it, it's actually better than Java, at least on the

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Adriaan van Os wrote: > Vinzent Hoefler wrote: > >> Bisma Jayadi wrote: >> >>> IMO, .Net is just a bussiness buzz from M$ to attract their customers >>> and prevent them from switching to Un*x systems. Speaking >>> technically, I saw nothing new in the .Net technology. It's just a >>> combination

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Rodrigo Palhano
Nice post, - the framework is huge. This is more important than it seems. Less components to buy, more people using a standarised set of components. It has its attraction. On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 05:24:51 -0300, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tottaly agree, this has been microsoft

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Adriaan van Os
Vinzent Hoefler wrote: Bisma Jayadi wrote: IMO, .Net is just a bussiness buzz from M$ to attract their customers and prevent them from switching to Un*x systems. Speaking technically, I saw nothing new in the .Net technology. It's just a combination of Java (on the system architecture) and Del

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Marco van de Voort
> On Thursday 16 March 2006 04:17, Bisma Jayadi wrote: > > > IMO, .Net is just a bussiness buzz from M$ to attract their customers > > and prevent them from switching to Un*x systems. Speaking > > technically, I saw nothing new in the .Net technology. It's just a > > combination of Java (on the sy

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-16 Thread Vinzent Hoefler
On Thursday 16 March 2006 04:17, Bisma Jayadi wrote: > IMO, .Net is just a bussiness buzz from M$ to attract their customers > and prevent them from switching to Un*x systems. Speaking > technically, I saw nothing new in the .Net technology. It's just a > combination of Java (on the system archite

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Bisma Jayadi wrote: >> Delphi 2006 for Win32 also incorperates a lot of the innovations nade in >> Delphi.Net. > > .Net? Though I had suggested FPC to also implement some new Delphi > language features which I think very usefull, but I agree with FPC core > team that we don't need to support .Net

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Bisma Jayadi
Delphi 2006 for Win32 also incorperates a lot of the innovations nade in Delphi.Net. .Net? Though I had suggested FPC to also implement some new Delphi language features which I think very usefull, but I agree with FPC core team that we don't need to support .Net yet. IMO, .Net is just a bus

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
With 22.000 dolares we could have, in less then a year: * PalmOS support for Free Pascal and Lazarus * A great Carbon widgetset * Perhaps even full COM and OLE support -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepas

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Mark Andrews
They haven't raised any money yet. The money will only be collected if Borland were to accept an offer from these folks. The amount so far is more akin to pledges. Mark L505 wrote: Who gets the $22,000 they have raised so far, if their plan doesn't work out? ___

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread L505
Who gets the $22,000 they have raised so far, if their plan doesn't work out? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
> You're kidding me right? Maybe if you made that assertion about Kylix, but > not Delphi!! The Delphi.Net compiler alone, and the VCL (full VCL), and > defacto support for all (not just a subset) of Delphi features. The idea is that it´s much, much cheapier to invest on Lazarus and Free Pascal an

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Marco van de Voort
> > http://delphi.org/ > > > > Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p > > Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of doing that? :p > > You're kidding me right? Maybe if you made that assertion about Kylix, but > not Delphi!! The Delphi.Net compiler alon

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Rodrigo Palhano
What he meant is that supporting fpc/lazarus development is a quite more tangible task than trying to buy and support delphi. On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:54:38 -0300, memsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://delphi.org/ Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p Why don't the

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Florian Klaempfl
memsom wrote: >> http://delphi.org/ >> >> Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p >> Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of doing that? :p > > You're kidding me right? Maybe if you made that assertion about Kylix, but > not Delphi!! The Delphi.Net com

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread memsom
> http://delphi.org/ > > Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p > Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of doing that? :p You're kidding me right? Maybe if you made that assertion about Kylix, but not Delphi!! The Delphi.Net compiler alone, and the VCL

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Marco van de Voort
> http://delphi.org/ > > Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p > Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of doing that? :p And totally unrealistic. - price is way to low (50 times that is more reasonable I think) - not just the source is not for sale,

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Bisma Jayadi
> http://delphi.org/ Sorry... stupid mistypo. :P It should be: http://opendelphi.org/ :D -Bee- has Bee.ography at http://beeography.wordpress.com Bisma Jayadi wrote: Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead o

Re: [fpc-pascal] opendelphi.org

2006-03-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
I fully agree!!! Regards, - Graeme - On 3/15/06, Bisma Jayadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://delphi.org/ > > Very nice attempts, but -IMO- they're just wasting their time. :p > Why don't they switch to and support FPC/Lazarus instead of doing that? :p > > -Bee- > > has Bee.ography at > h