>
> The point is that the compiler is not "free", it is encumbered by a
> license. People are gaining the idea that Open Source generally equates
> with "free" (as in no-expense). However, in American English, the word
> "free" generally means "something of so little value that you can afford
Java is glueware really. It's great for net-traversal situations.
Pascal is an application development platform. And IMHO, the best of breed.
We use both for situations where they are suited, respectively.
Having said that, IT departments in businesses are amazingly stupid and
opt for the wron
I am doing two free-lance projects at the moment for two clients. One
insists that I use C++ and Qt. When I suggested Delphi (I started this 5
years ago) he was offended. The other client didn't care. When I told
him about installation of one singe EXE (no libraries, dll's and other
dependencie
Op Mon, 13 Aug 2007, schreef Michael Van Canneyt:
> Obviously their clients have more sense than this company does...
Mod up +1 Insightfull...
Yes, this is the whole point, end users like Pascal applications more than
Java applications. (Because their are faster, use les smemory,
install eas
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Tom Walsh wrote:
> ik wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wonder how can we make Pascal and FPC more attractive to people, and
> > I believe in what Donal Knuth have said:
> >
> > "The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
> > language will not succeed without
Tom Walsh schrieb:
> ik wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder how can we make Pascal and FPC more attractive to people, and
>> I believe in what Donal Knuth have said:
>>
>> "The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
>> language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently
Bisma Jayadi wrote:
This project is with a company that just spent 4+ million USD on a
Java solution (client and server side) to replace all their old
Pascal code, then, their clients told them they didn't like the Java
solution, that they wanted to keep using the Pascal stuff!
Isn't Java als
This project is with a company that just spent 4+ million USD on a
Java solution (client and server side) to replace all their old Pascal
code, then, their clients told them they didn't like the Java solution,
that they wanted to keep using the Pascal stuff!
Isn't Java also free? :-P
Oh, and
ik wrote:
Hi,
I wonder how can we make Pascal and FPC more attractive to people, and
I believe in what Donal Knuth have said:
"The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A
language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently
invented a very good name and now I a
On 13/08/07, Marco van de Voort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One can develop FPC for OSX with Carbon too. (and that is done, e.g. Pixel).
>
And hopefully not to far in the future using fpGUI as well. :-)
Graeme.
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It makes better sense when you put it that way.
Cheers,
Mark.
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Marco van de Voort wrote:
On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
place.
If you do happen to make money on the side with it: congratulations.
But d
I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
way it "sounds"...
And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.
It would probably help if it had a name other than "Free". It refers to
free as in OS, of course, but many people read it as "free" (as in beer)
a
But do not expect us to change our motivation.
This is one of many reasons why I trust FPC over Delphi (Borland/CodeGear):
the great and noble motivation of the core developers. I do respect such
motivation. Not many developers are able to survive with such motivation. In
many cases, such mot
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> > On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > place.
> > >
> > > If you do happen to make money on the side with it: congratulations.
> > >
> > > But do not expect business arguments to have any influence whatsoever
> > > on t
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, ik wrote:
> > People forget the bottom line; FPC and Lazarus are HOBBY projects
> > for the core developers. We do not want or need to make money with
> > them. Otherwise we would not have made it open source in the first
> > place.
> >
> > If you do happen to make money on
> On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > place.
> >
> > If you do happen to make money on the side with it: congratulations.
> >
> > But do not expect business arguments to have any influence whatsoever
> > on the core developers. That includes name changes, which are simply
On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, ik wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> >
> > I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
> > way it "sounds"...
> >
> > And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.
>
> For business mayb
Vincent Snijders wrote:
Weyert de Boer schreef:
Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of
that idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in
Mono together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with
Chrome. :)
Nothing, indeed. I don't think
> Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
> idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
> together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
Is that combination (C#/Mono-Cocoa#) portable? It is not fair to compare a
p
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, ik wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
>
> I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
> way it "sounds"...
>
> And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.
For business maybe.
People forget the bottom line; FPC and Lazarus are HOBBY projects
for the
Vincent Snijders schrieb:
> Weyert de Boer schreef:
>> Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of
>> that idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in
>> Mono together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with
>> Chrome. :)
>
> Good arguments.
Weyert de Boer schrieb:
> Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
> idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
> together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
And how would a name change change this?
_
Weyert de Boer schreef:
Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
Good arguments. A name change would make no difference.
Puff, Delphi IDE is way faster then Lazarus. Beside of the need of that
idiotic X11 under MacOSX. I will just develop my applications in Mono
together with Cocoa# this works perfectly well together with Chrome. :)
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Hi Michael,
I will write here instead of inline...
I personally know a company that wrote a product using Delphi, and had
an already existed product, but when they came to raise some money,
the only thing that really interested the investors where that they
use Delphi instead of Java, and forced t
As the subject already suggest, this thread is off-topic here and already
quite lengthy. I'd like to kindly ask everybody interested in this
discussion to move it to fpc-other list, which is dedicated to this kind
of stuff.
Thanks a lot
Tomas
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On 13/08/07, Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Use Lazarus for a month daily, to develop a real program, and then come back.
> People who have used lazarus for about 1 hour and then tell us
> 'this and that feature is not working'
> just do not have any right of voice. Lazarus has qu
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Skybuck Flying wrote:
> Well there are some things ofcourse wrong with Free Pascal:
I'm assuming you were being sarcastic or ironic. You can
assume the same when you read this reply.
>
> 1. First the name:
>
> "Free"
>
> Bussiness people don't believe in "Free".
So wha
> Well there are some things ofcourse wrong with Free Pascal:
>
> 1. First the name:
> "Free"
> Bussiness people don't believe in "Free".
First you must define a target in business people. Which is easy. First and
for all, FPC is interested in business people that have something to offer.
And of
Sory for top posting, I am using a phone...
1. There is nothing wrong with "Free" in the name. Many open-source apps have
that. Business people trust their wallets. And here, a lot more trust Linux and
Open apps. If you know how to present that.
2. I don't know what is wrong on your side, but my
So I believe that if we will change the name, it might help.
This kind of topic had been arised a few times. Basically I agree with this
idea if it means we should change the name of the compiler, not the name of
the language itself.
We just can't change the language name, just like what Jon
discussions"
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] OT: Rename for Pascal
Before assuming FPC isn't atracting users, why don't we start tracking new
users and compare it's
evolution month by month, year by year. With the help of this method, we
can f
Well there are some things ofcourse wrong with Free Pascal:
1. First the name:
"Free"
Bussiness people don't believe in "Free".
2. Free Pascal Quality itself:
When I see simple things not working like:
Read or Readln or whatever, I run away screaming from Free Pascal ;) :)
3. It doesn't hav
-- Dani�l Mantione <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Overall, I don't think we are doing bad.
I totally agree with you.
Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.
Y
> I joined this malling list not that long ago, however I use FPC for
> several years now, and I also used Delphi for more then 7 years... So
> how can you know who is new ?
>
Well, we can't get really accurate dates, but some aproximations based on
mailing lists
subscription could show us some
Op Sun, 12 Aug 2007, schreef Leonardo M. Ramé:
> Before assuming FPC isn't atracting users, why don't we start tracking new
> users and compare it's
> evolution month by month, year by year. With the help of this method, we can
> figure out some ways
> to market FreePascal and Lazarus.
>
>
Hi,
Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, I'm not attacking you personally :)
On 8/12/07, Leonardo M. Ramé <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before assuming FPC isn't attracting users, why don't we start tracking new
> users and compare it's
> evolution month by month, year by year. With the help of this me
Before assuming FPC isn't atracting users, why don't we start tracking new
users and compare it's
evolution month by month, year by year. With the help of this method, we can
figure out some ways
to market FreePascal and Lazarus.
We can start by extracting the subscription date of each user of
Here is a suggestion:
Called it puma ! :)
Like the animal on the website.
Puma's are fast.
And that's a big adventage of Pascal/Delphi it compiles lightning fast
compared to C/C++ crap.
Bye,
Skybuck.
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On 12 Aug 2007, at 19:30, ik wrote:
So I believe that if we will change the name, it might help. What do
you think ?
I think it will have very little effect. Just look at D: it's a lot
like C (so the C crowd isn't immediately put off by it), it has a
"non-offensive" name, it's quite powe
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