Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 10/17/24 10:01 PM, Santi via fpc-pascal wrote: El 16/10/2024 a las 05:12, Joao Paulo Schwarz Schuler via fpc-pascal escribió: Some half baked ideas: * month after month, the percentage of code coded by AI grows and human made shrinks. * could Pascal be the ideal language coded (or preferre

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Marco van de Voort via fpc-pascal
Op 17-10-2024 om 09:10 schreef Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal: I fully agree. It is especially true for young people. My wife creates websites for a living. I nearly had to re-animate her after she looked at the FPC website. The FPC website is a no-go area for her since that time. Henc

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Santi via fpc-pascal
El 16/10/2024 a las 05:12, Joao Paulo Schwarz Schuler via fpc-pascal escribió: Some half baked ideas: * month after month, the percentage of code coded by AI grows and human made shrinks. * could Pascal be the ideal language coded (or preferred) by AI? Given that Pascal is strongly typed, easy

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Santiago A. via fpc-pascal
El 16/10/2024 a las 04:32, Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal escribió: Am Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2024, 04:00:30 CEST schrieb DougC via fpc-pascal: I don't think the situations are vary similar, so I don't think the comparison is useful. I mainly wanted to say that it is possible to do so without e

Re: [fpc-pascal] Funding for FOSS projects, needs funding.json file in Gitlab

2024-10-17 Thread Christo Crause via fpc-pascal
On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 7:42 PM Alexey T. via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: > 15 Oct news at Hacker News: > https://floss.fund/blog/announcing-floss-fund/ > They pay 1M $ per year, all FPC needs to apply is the funding.json in > the repo. And then submit via online form. > F

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb am Do., 17. Okt. 2024, 14:37: > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote: > > > Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal > > schrieb am Do., 17. Okt. 2024, 11:40: > > > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: > >> > >>> On Oct 17

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Stefan V. Pantazi via fpc-pascal
Hi all, Interesting discussion that was bound to happen at some point. As a long-time (+30 year) user of the language and many years of FreePascal and Lazarus, I did not mean to pile on too much, but it looks like I may. Sorry. From what I read so far, my views match well those of Nikolay and

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Ralf Quint via fpc-pascal
On 10/17/2024 4:27 AM, Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal wrote: Am Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2024, 03:24:07 CEST schrieb Ralf Quint via fpc- pascal: Sorry, but do you really suggest that Lazarus should intentionally adjust itself to the shortcomings of other IDEs? Being able to move windows around o

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024, Sven Barth via fpc-pascal wrote: Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal schrieb am Do., 17. Okt. 2024, 11:40: On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Oct 17, 2024 at 12:03:47 AM, Guillermo Martínez Jiménez via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepasca

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal schrieb am Do., 17. Okt. 2024, 09:16: > > In 2024 you don’t need the performance of manual memory management in UI > apps. Garbage collector or anything else will work perfectly well. > > Well, surely, you can probably use something like this with Free Pascal as > w

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal schrieb am Do., 17. Okt. 2024, 11:40: > > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 2024 at 12:03:47 AM, Guillermo Martínez Jiménez via > fpc-pascal < > > fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: > > > >> Prease DON'T add garbage

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Sven Barth via fpc-pascal
Peter B via fpc-pascal schrieb am Do., 17. Okt. 2024, 13:29: > Anybody, > on the subject of llvm; does anyone know if the option of llvm > back-end for fpc is ever going to make an official release? > The LLVM port has some shortcomings that will for the foreseeable future have it be a less good

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Peter B via fpc-pascal
On 17/10/2024 08:29, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal wrote: I also agree. Unfortunately, as I said, compiler developers don't make good web designers. Examples for bad sites (I'm repeating myself, I know): https://gcc.gnu.org/ https://llvm.org/ Hi Nikolay, and are these compiler suites w

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal
Am Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2024, 03:24:07 CEST schrieb Ralf Quint via fpc- pascal: > Sorry, but do you really suggest that Lazarus should intentionally > adjust itself to the shortcomings of other IDEs? Being able to move > windows around over multiple (2 or 3) monitors is the most effective way >

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Luca Olivetti via fpc-pascal
El 16/10/24 a les 5:00, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal ha escrit: Even if there is a market for Lazarus type apps people in 2024 don’t want to use a massive legacy IDE and prefer better tools like VSCode. I'm biased because I've been programming in pascal for almost 40 years, starting with line

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Luca Olivetti via fpc-pascal
El 17/10/24 a les 7:58, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal ha escrit: I used C# for Unity quite a bit and never had any problems. That’s even with the worst case scenario for game developing that needs real time graphics. Does that power all of .NET too and all those desktop applications? It’s been ba

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Martin Frb via fpc-pascal
On 17/10/2024 03:24, Ralf Quint via fpc-pascal wrote: Sorry, but do you really suggest that Lazarus should intentionally adjust itself to the shortcomings of other IDEs? Being able to move windows around over multiple (2 or 3) monitors is the most effective way to work., l Nope. (And I do pre

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal
On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Oct 17, 2024 at 12:03:47 AM, Guillermo Martínez Jiménez via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: Prease DON'T add garbage collector. IMO it isn't a good idea. I had very bad experiences with it. Unless somebody foun

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal wrote: I fully agree. It is especially true for young people. My wife creates websites for a living. I nearly had to re-animate her after she looked at the FPC website. The FPC website is a no-go area for her since that time. Hence my in

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 10/17/24 10:29 AM, Nikolay Nikolov wrote: On 10/17/24 10:10 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Oct 17, 2024 at 4:12:08 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: I have proposed

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 10/17/24 10:10 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Oct 17, 2024 at 4:12:08 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: I have proposed this to the FPC core team, after some insistanc

Re: [fpc-pascal] Fwd: What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-pascal
On 10/17/24 8:58 AM, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Oct 17, 2024 at 12:03:47 AM, Guillermo Martínez Jiménez via fpc-pascal wrote: Prease DON'T add garbage collector.  IMO it isn't a good idea.  I had very bad experiences with it. Unless somebody found a new magic algorithm in the last d

Re: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users

2024-10-17 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal
On Wed, 16 Oct 2024, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Oct 17, 2024 at 4:12:08 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal < fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org> wrote: I have proposed this to the FPC core team, after some insistance I managed to get a list of constraints from (if memory serves w