Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/29/05, David Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the time has come to integrate (the installations of) FPC and Lazarus more fully. I'll first use myself as an example as to why; then I'll present the reasons I suspect such an integration has not already taken place, and suggest an impl

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote: El Dom 30 Oct 2005 16:52, Dean Zobec escribió: [...] One approach is the use of the RTTI - aware controls to link them to the published properties of your Business Objects or, better, use a more complex but more flexible bridge pattern to decouple the link between

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote: These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff like international characters it's not very useful. For you. It is useful for most of the English speaking people and those are quiet a lot too, although not as much as the whole world population

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

El Dom 30 Oct 2005 16:52, Dean Zobec escribió: >[...] >> One approach is the use of the RTTI - aware controls to link them to the > published properties of your Business Objects or, better, use a more > complex but more flexible bridge pattern to decouple the link between > the business objects a

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

El Dom 30 Oct 2005 17:42, L505 escribió: > > I'm beginning to think we need a Big huge button in the lazarus IDE with > caption as: "Hide Lazarus Component Palette (Click This Only If You Come > From a Java Background)" > > That caption is quite big, so the button might span across the entire > scr

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

El Dom 30 Oct 2005 14:27, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribió: > > > This eliminates: > > > a) C++ using any platform independent library, like gtk, qt, > > > wxwidgets, etc, because the library is too big to fit a floppy > > > > Which library do you use for Pascal that fits in a floppy? > > LCL (

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

El Dom 30 Oct 2005 14:51, Micha Nelissen escribió: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:48:52 -0600 > > I'd like to know why this isn't a problem in Eclipse or KDevelop, but is in > Lazarus. > Don't take the comment too personal :). I don't think the "problem" is necesarily bad, i love Lazarus, it can get me

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

El Dom 30 Oct 2005 15:35, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribió: > On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't type any international characters (like accented vowels) in > > the editor. FYI, mi FC4 uses UTF-8. > > AFAIK this is a gtk only problem and has already being submited

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I solved the problem using a single-rooted wrapper hierarchy (java > > > style). It's not elegant nor efficient, > > Google.com > > Your search - "single-rooted wrapper hierarchy" - did not match any documents. > Let's say you need a general pur

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:50:00 -0800 L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your search - "Polymorphism with primitive data types" - did not match > any documents. Don't use the ""s... Too restrictive. Without them, Results 1 - 10 of about 266,000 for Polymorphism with primitive data types John ___

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

Agustin Barto wrote: What bad designs does it impose the programmer?? I have a big interest to know because I like to make a as reusable as possible code. Are you talking about the form designer?? Software that's designed starting from the user interface to the behavioral parts of the pro

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

>I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive >data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's Google.com Your search - "Polymorphism with primitive data types" - did not match any documents. Suggestions: - Make sure all words are spelled correctly.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Vision

Date sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:32:18 +0200 From: Mihai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org Subject:[fpc-pascal] Free Vision Send reply to: FPC-Pascal users discussions

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

> > I solved the problem using a single-rooted wrapper hierarchy (java > > style). It's not elegant nor efficient, Google.com Your search - "single-rooted wrapper hierarchy" - did not match any documents. Suggestions: - Make sure all words are spelled correctly. - Try different keywords. - Tr

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

>This is a common problem with "visual" IDE's, they are focused in >implementation speed and not overall project quality, this had already been >discused in other places. As Agustin pointed this is not visible for small >Form1 based projects but it gets bad as the project grows. I agree this is >n

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Variants could store objects and interface instances, maybe. > > They can? Simply use custom variants. > Don't know what custom variants are. I'd appreciate a link to the documentation. > > I solved the problem using a single-rooted

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's a HUGE problem! I can't properly document the code! > > This is a big problem for me, 'cause I only use Windows to play games :) > > I hope it gets fixed. You´ve beat me =) They only thing I can say now is that I would love to see it

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

Agustin Barto wrote: On 10/30/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Agustin Barto wrote: I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's not easy, for instance, to have a generic data structure

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agustin Barto wrote: > > I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive > > data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's > > not easy, for instance, to have a generic data structure that can > >

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AFAIK this is a gtk only problem and has already being submited as a > bug report (by me). It works perfectly on Windows. And the problem is > only related to the IDE. TEdit (and programs that use it) can handle > accented words

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

Agustin Barto wrote: I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's not easy, for instance, to have a generic data structure that can store *any* primitive data in a type-safe way. Variants?

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't type any international characters (like accented vowels) in > the editor. FYI, mi FC4 uses UTF-8. AFAIK this is a gtk only problem and has already being submited as a bug report (by me). It works perfectly on Windows. And the problem

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Witch unicode? UTF-8 obviously works on Lazarus as the editor produces > and reads files in this format. I have also worked with lazarus and > XML files, witch are normally in UTF-8. I can't type any international characters (

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:48:52 -0600 Elio Cuevas Gómez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > e) The problem with beign Delphi-like (or visual design-centric) is > > > that it imposes some pretty ugly designs on the programmer, and this > > > creates bad habits. For small projects this is obviously not a

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

> > This eliminates: > > a) C++ using any platform independent library, like gtk, qt, > > wxwidgets, etc, because the library is too big to fit a floppy > > Which library do you use for Pascal that fits in a floppy? LCL (Win32 on Windows and gtk 1.2 for Linux). After strip and upx I get: 700kb on

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

El Dom 30 Oct 2005 11:47, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribió: > On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) version > > of Lazarus. I don't know if this is a bug related to my particular > > enviroment (x86/FC4) or a limit

[fpc-pascal] Free Vision

Hello, Is there any Free Vision Documentaion available somewhere? Thank you very much, Mihai ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

> Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is > far from being comparable with other development enviroments. If you > ask me, it's too much like Delphi (that's really bad). Although 99.5% > of my apps use gui, I never use the visual editor (I gave up hoping > that the n

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) version > of Lazarus. I don't know if this is a bug related to my particular > enviroment (x86/FC4) or a limitation of the code editor. Witch unicode? UTF-8 obviously works on Lazar

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

Agustin Barto wrote: > a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) version > of Lazarus. I don't know if this is a bug related to my particular > enviroment (x86/FC4) or a limitation of the code editor. Unicode can mean a lot? b) When I really needed the multiplatform feature

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please give objective reasons to back up your statement that Lazarus > is a bad IDE (and test the latest stable one to see if the problems > were not fixed). > a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) versi

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is > far from being comparable with other development enviroments. If you > ask me, it's too much like Delphi (that's really bad). Although 99.5% > of my apps use gui, I never

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:07:13 -0300 Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is > far from being comparable with other development enviroments. If you > ask me, it's too much like Delphi (that's really bad). Although 99.5% > of m

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But those are reasons to mix the projects (not in code)! From Systems > we can know that many people are not using FPC because they need a > good gui IDE. Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/29/05, David Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Let's face it: FPC is a mature and stable (and awesome) project, > Lazarus isn't. I think there shouldn't be mixed, at least for the time > being. But those are reasons to mix the proj

Re: [fpc-pascal] Lazarus and FPC integration

On 10/29/05, David Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - other reasons? > Here are the reasons why I don't use Lazarus regularly (I use FreePascal almost every day): - The "compiler mismatch" of Lazarus. Most of the time lazarus requires a version of fpc that's not the current stable version. -

[fpc-pascal] building fpc docs

For a long time I've been unable to build fpc docs from svn. I finally had a good look at it and came up with an ugly workaround. Start with a freshly-built svn fpc (with no msg2inc) or rm .../fpc/compiler/msg2inc. In .../fpcdocs run "make html". It fails with: cp styles/listings.sty styles

Re: [fpc-pascal] Systems 2005: A first summary

Jonas Maebe wrote: On 29 Oct 2005, at 22:51, Éric DÉTREZ wrote: I know how to start X11. Is it the right X-Windows ? Yes. But how to start then Lazarus ? Simply typing "lazarus" in the xterm window should work. If it doesn't, try /usr/local/bin/lazarus I am not sure there is a sy