On 2013-11-29 03:20, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi Karen,
Le mardi 26 novembre 2013, à 00:47 -0500, Karen Sandler a écrit :
As a lawyer I want to point out that the main thing about our trademark
is
to make sure that users (under the law: consumers) aren't confused
about
what comes from GNOME and wha
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Also, how do we define the right balance? In the Ubuntu GNOME example, I
woul
Hi Karen,
Le mardi 26 novembre 2013, à 00:47 -0500, Karen Sandler a écrit :
> As a lawyer I want to point out that the main thing about our trademark is
> to make sure that users (under the law: consumers) aren't confused about
> what comes from GNOME and what doesn't. This is extremely helpful wh
Apologies, I'm just going to jump in and respond here as there really was
a lot of discussion I missed and I can't respond to everything. I'm also
on the road even though I'm back from vacation (speaking at a conference
in Ecuador), so I haven't been able to read everything.
Firstly, I think it's
Emily,
Emily Gonyer wrote:
> Alright. So how about this. We chop the toes off of the foot, so its
> not quite the same. Will that work for you? Of course not. That'd be
> 'bad design'. This nit picking is what makes people hate GNOME. What
> makes people (good people!) throw up their arms and say
hi all;
On 25 November 2013 15:48, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> As Dave pointed out, back a few yrs ago, people who were using only
> portions of GNOME were happily included in the GNOME family. But now
> GNOME insists on drawing utterly arbitrary and constantly shifting
> lines in the sand as to what c
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 10:48 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 09:03:34AM -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> >> And, once again, I have to ask, how much different does it have/need
> >> to be?
> > I don't think any
Harsh, but true. Thanks for summing up :D
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Tobias Mueller
> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 09:03:34AM -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> >> And, once again, I have to ask, how much different does i
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 09:03:34AM -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
>> And, once again, I have to ask, how much different does it have/need
>> to be?
> I don't think any designer would want my advice as to how to make a logo.
> But I am ve
Hi.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 09:03:34AM -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> And, once again, I have to ask, how much different does it have/need
> to be?
I don't think any designer would want my advice as to how to make a logo.
But I am very confident that minor modifications such as using the Ubuntu
cir
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Allan Day wrote:
> Dave Neary wrote:
>>> My stance is that I am happy for them (or anyone) to include GNOME in their
>>> product. They have permission (IIRC) to name it "something GNOME". So it's a
>>> different product, i.e. not "GNOME". I am happy if they use ou
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If they are replacing upstream pieces with distribution ones, we may
not want
Dave Neary wrote:
>> My stance is that I am happy for them (or anyone) to include GNOME in their
>> product. They have permission (IIRC) to name it "something GNOME". So it's a
>> different product, i.e. not "GNOME". I am happy if they use our logo. I'd be
>> more happy if they also silghtly modif
Hi,
On 11/25/2013 10:35 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:
> There is no "Fedora GNOME", right? Then I think the situation there is
> different.
Only because you declare it so. It is the same issue ("what is GNOME?
When do we desire/require differentiation?").
> I don't think that not shipping (some par
Hi everyone :)
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 07:51:18PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> By that standard, Fedora isn't 'GNOME' either (would any distro be
> shipping GNOME at that point?) Firefox and LibreOffice are installed
> defaults in Fedora:
>
There is no "Fedora GNOME", right? Then I think the situ
On 11/24/2013 06:45 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> Its this sort of reasoning which drives many people away from GNOME.
> Because people aren't using 100% of GNOME's software, we often seem
> intent on driving them out of the project. Just because you aren't
> running Fedora doesn't mean you aren't usin
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Alexandre Franke
wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> Why would we want it to communicate "Distinguish this from GNOME"? I
>> won't say there can't be any such reason, but I don't see that there
>> is one. I haven't seen any discu
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Why would we want it to communicate "Distinguish this from GNOME"? I
> won't say there can't be any such reason, but I don't see that there
> is one. I haven't seen any discussion about this in the current
> thread. Does anyone see a re
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In my view, this is decision is about what message GNOME would like
that version of th
Vincent Untz
November 21, 2013
at 1:01 AM
Le lundi 18 novembre 2013, à 08:51 +, Ekaterina Gerasimova a écrit :
On 18 November 2013 01:02, Emily Gonyer wrote:
So, what would Ubuntu GNOME need to do to differentiate their logo
from the 'normal' GNOME logo?
Anything
Hi,
On 11/22/2013 01:33 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> Ubuntu GNOME isn't solely a product of the GNOME
> project, so I don't t think it's accurate to use the GNOME logo alone.
> In fact, I think that a different logo would be beneficial for the
> Ubuntu GNOME project, since it would help them to make the
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On 11/21/2013 05:03 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>> I had no idea there was even an engagement list. Was it announced on
>> this list?
>>
>> Why was a redirect put in place? It comes off as very aggressive.
>>
>> Why not have a placeholder pa
On Nov 22, 2013 7:33 AM, "Allan Day" wrote:
>
> Vincent Untz wrote:
> ...
> >> Yeah, so the thing that I think we really miss is some examples of
> >> what is cool to do. Like examples of t-shirts and stickers, and
> >> original designs based on the logo. My understanding is that this
> >> would
On 11/21/2013 05:03 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I had no idea there was even an engagement list. Was it announced on
this list?
Why was a redirect put in place? It comes off as very aggressive.
Why not have a placeholder page that has a link to the new page, so that
the history is still accessible?
On 11/21/2013 11:58 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Allan,
On 11/21/2013 11:04 AM, Allan Day wrote:
That page is pretty new. The intention was to consolidate the
pre-existing guidelines, but there's a chance that some of the issues
you mention are simply bugs that need to be ironed out.
This raises a
Vincent Untz wrote:
...
>> Yeah, so the thing that I think we really miss is some examples of
>> what is cool to do. Like examples of t-shirts and stickers, and
>> original designs based on the logo. My understanding is that this
>> would require some work from the board...
>
> What about all the
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le jeudi 21 novembre 2013, à 12:17 +, Allan Day a écrit :
>> Vincent Untz wrote:
>> >> Do we have examples of the guidelines "hurting us"?
>> >
>> > I can think of groups simply choosing to not use the GNOME logo anymore
>> > beca
Hi,
Le jeudi 21 novembre 2013, à 12:17 +, Allan Day a écrit :
> Vincent Untz wrote:
> >> Do we have examples of the guidelines "hurting us"?
> >
> > I can think of groups simply choosing to not use the GNOME logo anymore
> > because they're afraid of not respecting the guidelines.
>
> I'd be
On Thu, 2013-11-21 at 18:23 +, Allan Day wrote:
> Dave Neary wrote:
> >>> Mairin worked on logo & brand guidelines back in 2006. That was the work
> >>> (I believe that you based this page off.
> >>
> >> Those old guidelines were seriously out of date and were desperately
> >> in need of a ref
On 11/21/2013 05:04 AM, Allan Day wrote:
> Vincent Untz wrote:
>> - "Always ensure that the logo is black or white, depending on the
>> background color (other colors are not permitted)"
>> => we fail at this, as we produced relatively recently stickers with
>>a yellow foot, and I
Hi,
On 11/21/2013 12:12 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> Dave Neary wrote:
>> Mairin worked on logo & brand guidelines back in 2006. That was the work
>> (I believe that you based this page off.
>
> Those old guidelines were seriously out of date and were desperately
> in need of a refresh. We have also b
On 11/21/2013 10:59 AM, Allan Day wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> I see the brand book I put together with Jeff Waugh way back when (where
>> that vertical version of the logo came from, and the existing logotype)
>> has been unceremoniously deleted or somehow obscured from being able to
>> be vie
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On 11/21/2013 10:59 AM, Allan Day wrote:
>> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>> I see the brand book I put together with Jeff Waugh way back when (where
>>> that vertical version of the logo came from, and the existing logotype)
>>> has been unceremonio
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> And what of the OPW intern's work?
Liansu Yu is the intern who you are thinking of, I believe. It looks like
Liansu Yu's work can be accessed the links on the is page[1] or via Archive
->Presentations and Archive ->Visual Identity.
Meg For
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> I see the brand book I put together with Jeff Waugh way back when (where
> that vertical version of the logo came from, and the existing logotype)
> has been unceremoniously deleted or somehow obscured from being able to
> be viewed on the wiki now. Any time I hit a search te
Dave Neary wrote:
>>> Mairin worked on logo & brand guidelines back in 2006. That was the work
>>> (I believe that you based this page off.
>>
>> Those old guidelines were seriously out of date and were desperately
>> in need of a refresh. We have also been wanting to move the guidelines
>> off th
Dave Neary wrote:
>> Mairin worked on logo & brand guidelines back in 2006. That was the work
>> (I believe that you based this page off. And all of the links to her
>> work are now broken and point at this page. The archive is gone. The
>> history is gone.
>
> I found the last revision of the gu
Dave Neary wrote:
>> That page is pretty new. The intention was to consolidate the
>> pre-existing guidelines, but there's a chance that some of the issues
>> you mention are simply bugs that need to be ironed out.
>
> This raises a very important point.
>
> Mairin worked on logo & brand guideline
Hi,
On 11/21/2013 11:58 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
> Mairin worked on logo & brand guidelines back in 2006. That was the work
> (I believe that you based this page off. And all of the links to her
> work are now broken and point at this page. The archive is gone. The
> history is gone.
I found the la
Hi,
On 11/21/2013 09:01 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Le lundi 18 novembre 2013, à 08:51 +, Ekaterina Gerasimova a écrit :
>>> Can they not use the GNOME foot at all?
>>
>> Yes, under nominative use when referring to GNOME itself. The logo and
>> trademark guidelines are available at
>> http://www
So, what would Ubuntu GNOME need to do to differentiate their logo
from the 'normal' GNOME logo? Can they not use the GNOME foot at all?
Could they simply add a line 'not sanctioned by the GNOME Foundation'
to the website? What needs to be done?
Emily
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Bastien Noce
> On 18 Nov 2013, at 01:15, Vincent Untz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>> * Ubuntu GNOME trademark usage
>> * The team is using the GNOME logo for their Ubuntu spin
>> * We recommended they should not use the GNOME logo in the current form
>> * '''ACTION''': Karen to contact the Ubuntu GNOME spin team for
Hi,
Le dimanche 10 novembre 2013, à 13:43 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
> * Non-profit contract with Wau Holland Stiftung
> * Coming to a close
> * Needs review on board-list
Just for the benefit of others who might be lacking the context (I had
to look at previous minutes): Wau Holland S
wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20131029
= Minutes for Tuesday, October 29th, 2013, 16:00 UTC =
== Next Meeting ==
* Tuesday, November 12th, 2013, 16:00 UTC
== Attending ==
* Rosanna Yuen
* Andreas Nilsson
* Emmanuele Bassi
* Sriram Ramkrishna
* Tobias Mueller
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