Vincent Untz <vu...@gnome.org> wrote: ... >> Yeah, so the thing that I think we really miss is some examples of >> what is cool to do. Like examples of t-shirts and stickers, and >> original designs based on the logo. My understanding is that this >> would require some work from the board... > > What about all the goodies we had at FOSDEM and GUADEC in the last 7 or > 8 years? :-)
There are certainly good examples that we can use there. The trick will be to make sure that the guidelines and the examples are aligned, of course. Again, I think that a more detailed set of visual identity guidelines would help here, since it will enable us to articulate a common style. It might be worth holding off making any major updates to the existing guidelines until that's done. >> Right now the guidelines are pretty unfriendly (especially the >> guidelines for third parties, which is one of the things I don't like >> about them) and only really cover what you can't do, rather than what >> you can. The new page I wrote makes an effort to do away with as much >> unfriendliness as possible, but could be more welcoming and >> accessible. > > Just to give an example of what we do in openSUSE: > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines > > To be clear, this page is clearly not the most friendly page out there > (too complex), but it explicitly gives many examples of what can be done > without requesting permission. I agree. Examples are good. >> >> In the Ubuntu GNOME case, I think it's fair to ask about the logo, >> >> irrespective of the trademark guidelines. Their logo [1] is >> >> essentially the same as the GNOME logo itself; some differentiation >> >> seems beneficial for both them and us. We don't have to be unfriendly >> >> about it, but then a dialogue about how they can help to support the >> >> GNOME brand doesn't seem like a bad thing. >> > >> > Of course it's fair, but to be honest, I'm fine with them using our >> > logo. Fedora and openSUSE both use our logo too: >> > http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops >> > http://software.opensuse.org/131/en >> > >> > Sure, the context is slightly different, because you see all the flavors >> > on the same page for Fedora and openSUSE, while it's not the case for >> > Ubuntu GNOME. But it feels the same. >> >> The seem like different types of cases to me, to be honest. Using the >> GNOME foot as a logo for an independent project seems of a different >> type to indicating that GNOME is featured in a piece of software. (The >> latter is stated as fair use by the third party guidelines, fwiw.) > > Here's the thing: I don't see Ubuntu GNOME as an independent project, > but as the result of the work of the GNOME team in Ubuntu, in very much > the same way the GNOME team in openSUSE is able to produce a pretty good > openSUSE+GNOME-based live image. And quoting their wiki page: "Ubuntu > GNOME is an official flavour of Ubuntu, featuring the GNOME desktop > environment." [1] That seams to match pretty well what you wrote above > about Fedora and openSUSE. > > And really, coming back to one of my initial feeling: I actually want > them to use our logo so they can help promote GNOME! Of course Ubuntu GNOME can use the GNOME logo, and they can have a logo which itself includes the GNOME logo. In doing so, they can articulate that they work in collaboration with GNOME, and they can help to promote the GNOME project. A logo should communicate the identity of the project (or the product) to which it belongs. Ubuntu GNOME isn't solely a product of the GNOME project, so I don't t think it's accurate to use the GNOME logo alone. In fact, I think that a different logo would be beneficial for the Ubuntu GNOME project, since it would help them to make themselves recognisable. Allan _______________________________________________ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
