2009/9/5 Geoffrey Plourde :
> Its a serious charge that is difficult to prove. The publicly released
> financial statements are too general in nature to be useful. The only way to
> prove/disprove this allegation and head off others is for the Foundation to
> become more transparent. It is natur
2009/9/6 Geoffrey Plourde :
> The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the move
> would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling.
Why would the press be interested in the WMF putting the offices they
are about to move out of on the market? The move itself will be
n
2009/9/6 Anthony :
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> A plan to move isn't worthy of a press release -
>> it would only cover a single sentence ("The WMF has more staff than it
>> has room for desks, so it is planning to move to new, large
2009/9/7 Sfmammamia :
> All,
>
> A bit of a mystery -- in Sunday's San Francisco Chronicle, page E-8, there's
> an ad for the Wikimedia Foundation Head of Communications position. This ad
> does not appear online, at least I could not find a companion posting,
> either on the foundation site or on
2009/9/7 Bod Notbod :
> Is it possible to keep my proposal intact and address those issues?
Yes. Just put "(This will allow your image to be used on Wikipedia)"
next to the "CC-BY-SA" option.
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2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell :
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct
>> business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a
>> chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not
2009/9/8 Anthony :
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Brian wrote:
>>
>> I don't know what these laws are, but my first guess is that the foundation
>> doesn't plan to actually hire anyone who responds to the ad, but must post
>> the ad in order to conform to equal opportunity employment laws?
>
>
The question isn't "Is there more we could do?" because there most
certainly is. The question is "Is there more we want to do?" We need
to decide what really is the scope of the Wikimedia movement. We never
really made that decision before starting the existing projects and
just started any project
2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez :
> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>
> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
Is there any point us doing something that already exists? What would
be better about a Wikimedia version?
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Once again, thank you for this. One question:
2009/9/9 Sue Gardner :
> Jennifer worked with Sue, Erik Moeller and Veronique to review and
> evaluate proposals submitted through the Chapters Funding Request
> process. Twenty-six of thirty proposals received were approved.
> Recipients will be posti
2009/9/9 Samuel Klein :
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>> 2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell :
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>>> The announcement makes it clear this is intended fo
2009/9/10 Sue Gardner :
> Hi Thomas!
>
> Sorry to top-post, and to be late replying. I believe that all 26
> proposals are up now on the meta page. Let me know if you can't find
> it, and I can post the link tonight when I'm back on my laptop.
The proposals are up, but not the details of which wer
2009/9/10 Pharos :
> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn't
suggest it would contain such info.
> Since 26 were accepted in total
2009/9/10 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/10 Pharos :
>> There are 21 accepted proposals listed on this page:
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/Reporting_Guidance
>
> Ah, well found! I didn't think to check that page - the title doesn&#
2009/9/10 Chad :
> I hadn't read that either. Ridiculous, I agree. I doubt people are donating
> to the WMF for them to send the money to the Portuguese chapter for
> their lunches.
>
> The only part of that budget that makes sense to me is the legal fees, and
> they're certainly not a back-breakin
2009/9/10 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> I think it is not reasonable to judge others by how you do things. Please
> remember that there are different cultures where things are done in
> different ways. I am sure there are things in the history of the WMUK that
> you do not wish onto others.. Everyone
2009/9/11 Jennifer Riggs :
> However the word and concept of "frugality" differs significantly across
> cultures. In my experience with many non-Western cultures, asking people
> to bring lunch from home or spend their own money for it would not only
> exclude participation, it would insult people.
2009/9/11 effe iets anders :
> Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
> thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
> setting up a chapter?
We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
human beings, the same as
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta :
> Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
> expenses.
>
> I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
> provide you with some information.
Thank you very much, I appreciate your willingness to discuss this
2009/9/11 Michael Snow :
> Nathan wrote:
>> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
>> chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
>> on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
>> it to meta?
>>
> I'm not sure what par
2009/9/11 Philippe Beaudette :
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
>> human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
>> comes to food.
>
>
> Thi
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
> share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
> you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
If they value themselves over our goals, they are entitled to
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
>> Hoi,
>> You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
>> share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
>> you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
&
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
> to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
> Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
> end that is what we ask people to
2009/9/11 effe iets anders :
> the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
> it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
> are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
> understanding of Portuguese culture.
I
2009/9/11 David Gerard :
> http://philanthropy.com/news/prospecting/9484/new-youtube-feature-helps-charities-raise-money-with-videos
>
> So, any videos we can do this with?
Didn't Jimmy do a video message as part of the last fundraiser? It
would be great to put something like that on YouTube.
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2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/11 David Gerard :
>> http://philanthropy.com/news/prospecting/9484/new-youtube-feature-helps-charities-raise-money-with-videos
>>
>> So, any videos we can do this with?
>
> Didn't Jimmy do a video message as part of the last fundra
2009/9/12 Sue Gardner :
> Fair enough, Brion :-) -- I'm just going to amplify and elaborate a
> little on Jennifer's original mail. I think some of this is on the
> meta page, but I'll say it here anyway.
>
> The purpose of the chapters grant process is to make money available
> to people to get go
2009/9/12 Yann Forget :
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
>> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
>> non-profit. They don't know what is and isn't appropriate to spend
>> dona
2009/9/12 Andrew Gray :
> 2009/9/12 Thomas Dalton :
>
>> While I don't doubt that the
>> Portuguese Wikimedians are acting in good faith, trust requires two
>> things - good faith and competence. They are almost certainly not
>> competent since they haven&#
2009/9/13 Austin Hair :
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people
>> setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a
>> non-profit. They don't know what is a
2009/9/13 John Vandenberg :
> I am also shocked by this very broad brush.
>
> You are not just saying that they lack experience, or "competence" -
> you are saying that chapters are likely to misuse funds.
You are putting words in my mouth. I haven't specified a probability
that a randomly chosen
2009/9/13 Austin Hair :
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>>> Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually.
>>
>> If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem.
>
> I think it's fairly clear that I dispute t
2009/9/13 effe iets anders :
> can someone kill this thread? Thanks.
Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list.
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2009/9/15 Domas Mituzas :
> Thomas wrote:
>> The tech team prioritised other things over the dumps, had
>> the community had the final say they may have done otherwise
>
> Or not done anything \o/
I said as much. I wasn't trying to suggest a definite solution, I was
just responding to the claim th
2009/9/15 Tim Landscheidt :
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>>>> The tech team prioritised other things over the dumps, had
>>>> the community had the final say they may have done otherwise
>
>>> Or not done anything \o/
>
>> I said as much. I wasn
2009/9/15 Anthony :
>>
>> > Still doesn't work. And yes, it needs an executive level decision,
>> > and it
>> > needs a kick in the ass from the board to get the executive level to
>> > make
>> > that decision.
>>
>> That work is being done at the moment, I'd think that it is being
>> handled prop
That is great news - congratulations, Anya!
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2009/9/17 Daniel Phelps :
> We look forward to the future in our new location and hope that we get
> a chance to have you all visit us. We will do our best to post photos
> as we settle in so that people can imagine us all in our new setting.
This sounds very exciting! Until you get some photos,
2009/9/17 Sue Gardner :
> However, Jennifer and I have agreed that despite those contributions,
> she ultimately will not be a good fit for the Chief Program Officer
> role. That doesn't mean her path will never cross ours again, and
> it's not a decision intended to reflect badly on her skills or
2009/9/17 Michael Peel :
>
> On 17 Sep 2009, at 17:22, Gregory Kohs wrote:
>
>> They are a key constituency in
>> supporting the financial stream, as every single one of them is
>> worth 16 or
>> more "average" donors.
>
> This doesn't seem quite right to me. "average" donors may financially
> be w
2009/9/18 Federico Leva (Nemo) :
> Mike Godwin, 16/09/2009 07:54:
>> We've had a lot of experience of spurious reports of lawsuits originating in
>> Italy. In the majority of those cases, Wikimedia Foundation itself never
>> receives service of process -- in effect, the cases only really "exist" in
I've just filled out the task force application form
(http://volunteer.wikimedia.org/volunteer/) and when I click "submit",
nothing happened. Is it working for other people?
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2009/9/22 Mike Godwin :
> My own personal view is that, in an ideal world, we'd post two or more
> metrics for every project (article numbers, number of editors, and perhaps
> other metrics like, perhaps, external links). That would create a design
> problem given our current home page, but probab
2009/9/23 Nikola Smolenski :
> Wikipedia isn't the only encyclopedia with edit wars :)
>
> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?=2009&mm=09&dd=20&nav_id=61868
That's a content dispute. It hasn't become an edit war since only one
side has the power to edit.
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2009/9/23 Nikola Smolenski :
> Дана Wednesday 23 September 2009 21:41:26 Thomas Dalton написа:
>> 2009/9/23 Nikola Smolenski :
>> > Wikipedia isn't the only encyclopedia with edit wars :)
>> >
>> > http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?=2009&a
2009/9/25 effe iets anders :
> Thanks for considering Europeans too. However, isn't something like
> 1800/1900 UTC not more convenient? (since at 1600 UTC, especially during
> winter, lots of people will be at work/school?) I guess that also works
> better for staff, with regards to getting up earl
2009/9/26 David Gerard :
> 2009/9/26 Samuel Klein :
>
>>> Mike Godwin completed a first draft of the revised trademark policy.
>
>> - Nice. Does this mean we are closer to a world in which awesome
>> Wikimedia swag is easy to come by... and not through cafepress? [
>> sorry, CP! :) ]
>
>
> The cha
2009/9/28 Brion Vibber :
> I'd like to share some exciting news with you all... After four awesome
> years working for the Wikimedia Foundation full-time, next month I'm
> going to be starting a new position at StatusNet, leading development on
> the open-source microblogging system which powers id
2009/9/28 Michael Snow :
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/9/28 Brion Vibber :
>>
>>> I'd like to share some exciting news with you all... After four awesome
>>> years working for the Wikimedia Foundation full-time, next month I'm
>>> going
2009/9/28 Sue Gardner :
> Greg, I really don't want to reply to the specifics of this conversation --
> Brion and Erik and others are much more deeply involved, and therefore better
> situated to respond.
>
> But I will say this: I know some people have speculated, or asked, if the
> Wikimedia F
2009/9/29 Brion Vibber :
> It seems to work just fine, actually. The extension is on, the
> configuration is being loaded for the right database, and things seem to
> function when I test them.
>
> Quick steps to try it out:
> [snip]
Where do you want comments? I'll put the one I have so far here:
2009/9/29 effe iets anders :
> I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work
> fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure
> about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like
> a good time though.
2130 UTC sounds a
2009/9/29 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/29 Brion Vibber :
>> It seems to work just fine, actually. The extension is on, the
>> configuration is being loaded for the right database, and things seem to
>> function when I test them.
>>
>> Quick steps to try it out:
>>
2009/9/29 Brion Vibber :
> On 9/28/09 5:27 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/9/29 Brion Vibber:
>>> It seems to work just fine, actually. The extension is on, the
>>> configuration is being loaded for the right database, and things seem to
>>> function when I t
2009/9/29 :
>
>
> But not established users ?
Not established users what?
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2009/9/29 :
>
> You cut off the response.? I was responding directly to the post previous
> where it was stated that crats and admins could poke at this.? So I'm
> wondering why not open it to all established editors.? There are editors who
> have been around a long time and are not admins.
Y
2009/9/29 Angela :
>>> 2130 UTC sounds a little late to me if we want Europeans there. We're
>>> on daylight saving time for another month (ish), so in Western Europe,
>>> that is 2330, finishing at 0030. That's pretty late.
>
> I thought the idea of having two meetings is that at least one would
>
2009/9/30 Waerth :
> There are people living in Asia and Australia as well actually ... you
> know! Oh wait they aren't "Western" people so why bother ..
I am well aware of the existence of Asia and Australia. I have been to
several Asian countries - I definitely remember seeing people there.
2009/9/30 Waerth :
> Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still
> be possible to please most of the world. There are times when
> Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East
> Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap There are no hours that
2009/10/1 Chad :
> If I've noticed nothing else in the last 4 years, it's that Wikimedians
> have very short attention spans when it comes to these sorts of
> things. We all talk about our bright and shiny ideal future and throw
> around a few ideas. Someone starts a page (or an entire wiki) to
> d
2009/10/8 Gregory Kohs :
> Despite an overall three-star rating (out of four), WMF was only rated two
> stars for Organization Efficency. This is described by Charity Navigator as
> "Meets or nearly meets industry standards but underperforms most charities
> in its Cause". The Charity Navigator s
2009/10/8 George Herbert :
> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities
> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross).
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities:
"Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve
with the ICRC, the Internatio
2009/10/8 George Herbert :
> Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a
> little training each year. And then a disaster hits and they drop
> everything and respond.
Are most Red Cross volunteers directly involved in disaster response?
I would expect most of them to be do
2009/10/8 George Herbert :
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> 2009/10/8 George Herbert :
>>> Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a
>>> little training each year. And then a disaster hits and they drop
>>
2009/10/8 Anthony :
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/10/8 George Herbert :
>>> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities
>>> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross).
>>
>> According to http://en.
2009/10/8 Anthony :
> And it's not clear what that number means anyway. Is a high ratio
> good or bad? It could be either, depending on the circumstances.
Of course. It isn't a useful metric in itself, it's just a factor that
you need to account for when interpreting proportions of revenue spent
2009/10/20 Jiri Hofman :
> Not free, not own content, not interested.
>
> Categorizing content of internet has been repeatedly unsuccessful. Why it
> should be successful now?
Google News is pretty good...
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2009/10/26 Guillaume Paumier :
> One thing I realized, though, was that two questions had an ambiguous
> wording: people wonder why they have to give reasons for not using
> Commons, or not participating, despite the fact that they said they do.
> These questions should read « what is the main reas
2009/10/26 Guillaume Paumier :
> Yes, we tested the survey, but with a smaller number of people, because
> of the time constraints (the multimedia usability project really started
> only 2 weeks ago, and the fundraising campaign is going to be the major
> focus of sitenotices from next week to Janu
2009/10/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Ehm, the statistics that we have are compiled by Erik Zachte.. qualifying
> our staff and implicitly Erik as lacking the experience is a bit off.
> It is not only the Commons project but also the Usability Initiative and the
> Strategy project that will re
2009/10/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Assume - ass u me ... When you look at the presentation of the statistics,
> when you consider the "score card" that were recently announced. I am happy
> to agree with you that it does not say on Erik's user page on en.wp that he
> had any formal statistics tr
2009/10/26 Casey Brown :
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, teun spaans wrote:
>> Criticism: not exact. What is "regularly"? Once a day? Once a week? Once a
>> month? 5% of all wiki edits? 25% of all wikiedits?
>
> Sometimes it's good to keep it vague -- to get people's opinions on
> their own act
2009/10/26 Robert Rohde :
> If you want to measure people's perceptions, you use qualitative
> judgment terms, e.g. "often", "regularly", "rarely".
If you do that, you need to ask something like "How would describe the
frequency of your Commons use?" rather than "How often do you use
Commons?". It
2009/10/30 MZMcBride :
> Hey all --
>
> Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired. Is this
> just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
He's still listed on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff
Where did you hear it?
_
2009/10/30 MZMcBride :
> MZMcBride wrote:
>> Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired.
>> Is this just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
>
> Erik just updated the staff template (about half an hour ago).[1] Seems the
> rumor is true.
In my experience people don't
2009/10/31 effe iets anders :
> We should get used to a situation where the foundation grows, and that more
> hirings/firings (or farewells for other reasons) are going to take place
> then up to now. It would simply not be practical to announce them all.
While it shouldn't be necessary to announc
2009/10/31 :
> In a message dated 10/31/2009 8:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> where sensationalised rumours get spread because of
>> a lack of accurate information.>>
>
> I think it's a little pre-mature to say that it's a sensationalised rumour
> speading
2009/10/31 :
> In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:24:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had
>> been fired. "Resigned by mutual agreement" is more likely. I guess
>> either a) he didn't fit in in the off
2009/10/31 Anthony :
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had
>> been fired.
>
> You correctly qualified that with "In my experience people don't
> usually&q
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> Yeah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
>
> Here in the US, if a company doesn't mind its unemployment tax rate
> going up, they can do pretty much whatever they want.
>
> In the UK, what, if anything, can a company do if they want to
> redefine a position altog
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> 2009/11/1 Anthony :
>>> In the UK, what, if anything, can a company do if they want to
>>> redefine a position altogether?
>>
>> If you are genuinely redefining the posi
2009/11/1 Anthony :
>>> Like, say, if you have two offices that combine into one big office?
>>
>> Yes, that would generally result in genuine redundancies.
>
> And, of course, is exactly what the Wikimedia Foundation just did.
Sure, but in this case there wasn't any duplication of roles between
t
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> 2009/11/1 Anthony :
>>>>> Like, say, if you have two offices that combine into one big office?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that would generally result in genuine redund
2009/11/1 :
> In a message dated 10/31/2009 6:18:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> I have never heard of someone being fired and working a month's notice
>> and without evidence to the contrary I will assume that the WMF aren't
>> trying to intentionally mislead
2009/11/1 Mike Godwin :
> Thomas Dalton writes:
>
> Perhaps this is a wrong-side-of-the-pond issue. In the UK if an
>> employer calls it redundancy when actually they just want to replace
>> you they would get sued for wrongful dismissal in an instant.
>
>
> In the U
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
>> Whether or not the
>> word accurately reflects the facts, the cat is out of the bag. It is all
>> over the internet where the audience tends to see little difference
>> between "He was fired," and "Was he fired?"
>
> The
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/11/1 Anthony :
>>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
>>>> Whether or not the
>>>> word accurately reflects the facts, the cat is out of the bag.
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> Yes, you can delete the archives on the WMF site. That does make much
>> difference. It will still be in everyone's inboxes and on various
>> other archive sites.
>
> So, what, don&#x
2009/11/2 Dan Collins :
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Anthony wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Dalton
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, you can delete the archives on the WMF site. That does make much
>> > difference. It will still be in everyone
2009/11/2 Chad :
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
>> Pharos wrote:
>>> I can think of approximately 500,000 other issues that it would
>>> perhaps be more productive for us to argue about on this list.
>>>
>>
>> So just because you have a personal dislike for a comment you wa
2009/11/2 effe iets anders :
> 2009/11/2 Thomas Dalton
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm happy arguing about this. No-one is forcing you to do so. If you
>> want to start another thread about the colour of the sky, go right
>> ahead.
>>
>> Why can&#x
2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
>> Olli wrote:
>>> Date: 2009/10/31
>>> Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar?
>>>
>>> What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some
>>> articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingu
2009/11/2 Magnus Manske :
>> I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually
>> publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option
>> to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French,
>> or mathematicians, or military people, etc.?
>
> I could li
2009/11/2 :
> In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:31:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> effeietsand...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
>> can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
>> people learn that they might
2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski :
> Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:
>> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
>> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the
>> conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
>> sel
2009/11/7 :
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>
> Isn't it however Michael true that a plain text message conveys little to no
> "tone"
> I could say the above sentence with anger, with sarcasm, with hope and
> without emotion at all.
> You cannot tell how I'm inflecting it, simply by the words.
> Sometimes or even most-times
2009/11/7 William Pietri :
> Hi, Thomas.
>
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> Indeed. My standard advice for people on how to interpret my
>> text-based messages is this: If in doubt, I don't mean any offence. If
>> I want to offend you, I will leave you in no doubt.
>>
2009/11/7 William Pietri :
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> Yes, I am placing the burden on other people and I've explained why:
>> The burden is negligible for other people. It is significant for me.
>>
>
> Well, you perceive the burden as negligible for them. Have you
2009/11/7 Michael Snow :
> This is not a matter of people's opinions being equally valid, it's a
> matter of their experiences being equally valid. Ignoring emails may be
> easy in that it does not require a lot of labor, which seems to be the
> focus of your argument. It is not necessarily easy in
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