Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell : > As such, it's time to try something different. What do you suggest? Are there models from other mailing list communities that we should experiment with to create a healthier, more productive discussion culture? What, based on your own experience of this list, would you

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/8 Michael Peel : > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects? Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely to engage in - especially considering that project ideas are often

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/8 Brian : > Some of us feel > that the foundation has become out of our reach. That no matter how much we > discuss and try to reach consensus it will just be too hard, or there will > be a lack of interest in our consensus at the foundation, for any real > change to happen. You practically

[Foundation-l] Priorities and opportunities

2009-09-16 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/16 Samuel Klein : > Putting aside the unnecessary bad faith and challenges to the > foundation's integrity: I find this all exciting - planning for > significant tech budget support, possible major sponsorships (I've > always hoped we would one day find multiple sources for long-term > in-

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Office Move

2009-09-16 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/16 Sue Gardner : > 2009/9/16 Thomas Dalton : >> 2009/9/17 Daniel Phelps : >>> We look forward to the future in our new location and hope that we get >>> a chance to have you all visit us.  We will do our best to post photos >>> as we settle in so that people can imagine us all in our new set

Re: [Foundation-l] CTO role (Was: Re: Priorities and opportunities)

2009-09-16 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/16 George Herbert : > I have a specific question regarding the CTO role which has been > floating around not yet completely defined.  Brion announced the > impending opening a while ago now and the formal definition of the job > role (and possibly title, I suggest it's more of a CIO role tha

Re: [Foundation-l] Announce: Brion moving to StatusNet

2009-09-28 Thread Erik Moeller
Thank you, Brion. Through your many years of volunteering and then staff work, you've secured your place in Wikimedia history. It's been a pleasure to work with you over the years, and I'm glad you'll continue to be involved. As I said privately, I'm happy you've found a great open source company t

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi Greg, a quick note on Sue's behalf since we're all quite swamped right now. On the tech side of things we're planning for the CTO transition right now, as well as building up our capacity; those are core foundation-building priorities that have to be higher than any specific deployment, particu

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/28 Gregory Maxwell : > Of course. But I wasn't expecting a turn up on English Wikipedia yet. > I'm asking why the 25 lines of configuration that EnWP specified have > not yet been added to the test wiki at > http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page I'll review the current state

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/28 Gregory Maxwell : > "Bad faith" — I don't think those words means what you think they mean. If it was our intention to not implement Flagged Protection, then we (WMF) wouldn't have said the opposite publicly. Instead, we would be communicating about why we're not implementing it. Our onl

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/28 Jimmy Wales : > If the Foundation is bottlenecked at the moment (understandable) then > how can I help, how can we the community help, to take some of the > burden off of them to get done what we need to get done for the sake of > our mission?  :-) The process going forward is pretty cle

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/9/28 Brion Vibber : > It seems to work just fine, actually. The extension is on, the > configuration is being loaded for the right database, and things seem to > function when I test them. Thanks for looking into it, Brion. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free K

Re: [Foundation-l] Charity Navigator rates WMF

2009-10-08 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/10/8 Michael Snow : > We do pay attention to the efficiency of operations and how funds are > spent, not merely for the sake of appearances but as something valuable > in its own right. With that in mind, it's more useful to look directly > at ways of achieving greater efficiency than to debat

[Foundation-l] Public release of Wikimedia Report Card

2009-10-09 Thread Erik Moeller
Erik Zachte, Data Analyst for the Wikimedia Foundation, has just released the first official public version of the Wikimedia Foundation's monthly report card on key program metrics. If you haven't seen it, his blog post about it is here: http://infodisiac.com/blog/2009/10/the-wikimedia-report-card/

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader

2009-10-13 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/10/13 Steven Walling : > From the demo video TechCrunch did, it looks like they are doing filtering > which you can turn on selectively. My understanding is that it's a simple keyword filter, so I wouldn't expect too much from it. We've played with the product during its development and conn

[Foundation-l] Office move completed

2009-10-23 Thread Erik Moeller
This is just a quick update that we've completed our office move to 149 New Montgomery in San Francisco, which also means that the usability team is now integrated into the same location. This week we've had two days of tech meetings and two and a half days of all-staff meetings in the new space, w

Re: [Foundation-l] Office move completed

2009-10-26 Thread Erik Moeller
Blog post by Jay is now up: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/10/27/wikimedia-finds-a-new-home/ First photos here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation_149_New_Montgomery More pics will come with time for those who can't get enough of seeing office environments. ;-) -- Er

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-30 Thread Erik Moeller
We don't comment on personnel rumors and speculation and will make announcements when and where appropriate. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailin

[Foundation-l] Fundraiser tech issues

2009-11-11 Thread Erik Moeller
The fundraising banners went live yesterday, but in spite of efforts to test them, there were serious issues with their basic functionality and IE6 and IE7. My apologies; it's an inexcusable screw-up on our part, and we won't go live again until we've resolved this. (We're looking into the feedback

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009-12-15 Thread Erik Moeller
Just as a bit of general background for this thread: The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing reasonably well, but not fantastically so; we wi

[Foundation-l] Announcement: Priyanka Dhanda joins Wikimedia

2009-12-16 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, I'm very pleased to welcome Priyanka Dhanda to the Wikimedia Foundation as Code Maintenance Engineer. Priyanka joins us from SourceForge Inc., where she worked since 2002 as a software developer and also was involved in operations, working on most pieces of the infrastructure, and integ

[Foundation-l] How are media from content partnerships used?

2010-01-15 Thread Erik Moeller
This is not news for people who've been watching closely, but I thought it deserved a "re-post" to give it some additional visibility. In the last year, the Wikimedia movement has developed some very important content partnerships with cultural institutions such as museums and archives to bring va

Re: [Foundation-l] Sue Gardner, Erik Möller , Wi lliam Pietri: Where is FlaggedRevisions?

2010-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, as a matter of principle, I'm not going to engage in this thread given the toxic tone in which it was started and partially carried on, nor do I expect any other WMF staff or contractors to do so. If there is interest in a civil, reasonable discussion regarding this or any other topic,

[Foundation-l] [Announcement] Extension of user experience work

2010-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, our very positive revenue perspective (we have already exceeded our fundraising targets for the fiscal year, and received the additional $2M from Google) allows us to do something we've hoped to be able to do: make our investment in user experience work permanent, as opposed to releasin

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-03 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/3/1 Austin Hair : > I think it would be great if someone > on the project could put the initial tone aside, turn the other cheek, > and let everyone interested (and I know there are several) know what's > going on. Hi Austin et al., William has already posted extensively on this topic, so I'

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikiversity

2010-03-18 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/3/18 Anthony : > For what it's worth, I think it's probably a good idea to shut down > Wikiversity.  Wikiversity hasn't to my knowledge achieved anything of note. To be fair, I don't think that's equally true for all language editions. The German Wikiversity, from what I can see, seems to be

Re: [Foundation-l] Credo

2010-03-18 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/3/18 Jon : > Is the Credo donation open to all Wikipedia project editors, or just the > English Wikipedia project editors.  Thank you for your help. It's open to editors from all Wikimedia projects who meet the requirements (6 months participation and 600 edits in a project). I've put it on e

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/3/30 John Vandenberg : > I would prefer that Sv.Wp make an exception for WMF logos being used > in conjunction with interwiki links, such as on > sv:template:wikisource.  To me, those uses are part of the UI of the > project, and fall under fair use of the trademark. > > However, I've seen thi

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-31 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/3/31 Petr Kadlec : > On 31 March 2010 04:28, Erik Moeller wrote: >> I'll note that the licensing policy passed by the Wikimedia Foundation >> Board of Trustees ( >> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy ) >> specifically permit

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Announcement] Howie Fung joins Wikimedia

2010-05-05 Thread Erik Moeller
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- From: Erik Moeller Date: 2010/5/5 Subject: [Announcement] Howie Fung joins Wikimedia To: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello all, I'm pleased to announce that Howie Fung, who has been supporting us as a consultant since October 200

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-03 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/6/3 Fajro : > Maybe we should support the "Language Icon" idea: > > http://languageicon.org/index-icon.php That icon seems about as intuitive as the name "Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch" for FlaggedRevs. The only relevant mental association that comes to mind is "robot tongue". -- Erik

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-03 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/6/3 Austin Hair : > Last night I was discussing this with Finne (henna), and she proposed > that we might show a default list based on the user's most likely > language(s), while still keeping the others collapsed by default. Yes, we discussed this internally as well as a better path to expos

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-05 Thread Erik Moeller
The original intent of the UX team, as I understand it, was to help readers find essential (frequently clicked) elements in the navigation more easily by collapsing less essential ones. It has been legitimately argued that the language links are essential for many users, even if the click rate is

[Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, the massive thread regarding the default sidebar language link expansion state has surfaced a number of fundamental and significant questions regarding the working relationship between the Wikimedia Foundation and the larger Wikimedia volunteer community. This message represents my snap

Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

2010-06-21 Thread Erik Moeller
I reached out to Google about this, and they tell me it should be fixed later today, at least for misclassified listserv messages. According to our contact there, the misclassification happened because spammers have included images from Wikimedia projects in spam messages. Let me know offlist if yo

[Foundation-l] [Announcement] Rand Montoya leaving Wikimedia Foundation

2010-07-02 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, I regret to inform you that Rand Montoya will be leaving the Wikimedia Foundation. His last day with us will be September 30, 2010. Rand has generously agreed to support and advise us for the next three months as we're gearing up for the 2010 fundraiser while he looks for opportunities

Re: [Foundation-l] Self-determination of language versions in questions of skin?

2010-07-02 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/6/28 Tim Starling : > In this case, I would recommend a process of negotiation. Detail your > concerns in Bugzilla, and give the developers time to respond to them. This is good advice. I want to add that there's something very unusual about the work that's been done over the last year, relat

[Foundation-l] Call for Volunteers: Wikimedia Research Committee

2010-08-02 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, The Wikimedia Foundation is looking for volunteers who would like to support the management of relationships between Wikimedia communities and the broader communities of researchers who study Wikimedia projects. We hope to create a committee with volunteers from both groups with a rich

Re: [Foundation-l] Vice President?

2012-02-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Many organizations have dozens or hundreds of vice presidents, like Vice > President of Vending Machines and Vice President of Pencil Sharpeners. Heh. I've certainly been in the VP of Odds and Ends role before. :) A little bit of context. As

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation monthly meeting video

2012-02-05 Thread Erik Moeller
Every month, there's a meeting at the Wikimedia Foundation offices (with remote call-in) where we review recent metrics and activities in the different departments for the previous month. Starting with the meeting covering January, which took place on February 2, we are now capturing these meetings

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > "Advocacy" is a much more general term in this context than people > seem to be taking it as. It does not mean lobbying or fighting for > something controversial with outside organizations. As I understand > it, it's the opposite: advocating to

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Then my suggestion would be, rename the department. I think the name's pretty spot-on, actually: advocating on behalf of the community. It's the elucidation of that concept that needs to happen to avoid confusion. -- Erik Möller VP of Engineer

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Terry Chay joins WMF as Director of Features Engineering

2012-02-14 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, It’s with great pleasure that I’m announcing that Terrence (Terry) Chay is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as Director of Features Engineering. Terry comes to us from Automattic, where he helped improve the WordPress.com user experience by implementing an A/B testing framework, improv

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Mostly though, thanks to the Internet and multinational corporations, > godawful business jargon crosses all national borders. Words and > phrases like 'onboarding', 'stakeholders', 'mission statements', > 'platforms', 'proactive', 'sectors' an

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Mid-Year Presentation to the Board of Trustees

2012-02-23 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, on February 3, the Wikimedia Foundation senior staff gave a presentation to the Board of Trustees as part of its Board meeting in San Francisco, recapping the fiscal year so far (our year begins July 1) and looking ahead. The slide deck is now available here: https://wikimediafoundation

[Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not "Foundation") matters

2012-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi all, We currently have this public list for Wikimedia Foundation matters, as well as a private list called "internal-l" which in practice is in large part used for WMF/chapters discussions, because chapter board members are added to it by default. The latter is often used for discussions that i

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not "Foundation") matters

2012-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > That sounds reasonable.  Most things discussed on this list are not > specially relevant to the Foundation. OK. Any strong objections to changing the list name and scope (the latter being the description at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/

Re: [Foundation-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

2012-03-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ > > I haven't looked at that in a while. > Heh, I wonder what the current status is? Kipcool's the primary maintainer, and I believe it's exclusively used on http://www.ome

Re: [Foundation-l] Guidelines for the use of iframes?

2012-03-14 Thread Erik Moeller
HR recently switched to an externally hosted applicant tracking system called Jobvite. It's sadly proprietary, but very feature-rich and used by many tech companies, including e.g. Mozilla. Basically the previous process was for candidates to be dumped in a shared inbox, where recruiters and hiring

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > I think it would greatly help if we could have an updated organisation > chart of who is reporting to whom, and what departments they are all in. The static graphics stopped being maintainable. We're exploring a couple of options for data-driv

Re: [Foundation-l] Pages very slow to load since March 21

2012-03-24 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Sarah wrote: > Could someone from the Foundation confirm that they're looking into > it? It's getting to the point where it's quite hard to edit. Tim's investigating it now. -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support

Re: [Foundation-l] Pages very slow to load since March 21

2012-03-24 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> Could someone from the Foundation confirm that they're looking into >> it? It's getting to the point where it's quite hard to edit. > Tim's investigating it now. This appears to have been a networking iss

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not "Foundation") matters

2012-04-02 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Nathan wrote: > I think wikimedia-l would work fine and make sense. We probably don't need > an additional list, a lot of the lists we have now are lightly used. Picking this up again .. I'll go ahead and make this change on Saturday 4/7, unless there are strong ob

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not "Foundation") matters

2012-04-02 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > It's a matter of creating a separate list and importing the members from the > current list (foundation-l), right? Yep. > Will foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > continue to function after April 7 (as a redirect/alias) or will only the > new ad

[Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-04 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, as I mentioned in a response to Liam the other day, we've been working on having org charts generated in a more automatic, scalable form. A contractor, Mark Holmquist, has been working on an open source tool for this the last few weeks to do this. It's still highly experimental. In part

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-04 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM, George Herbert wrote: > Has this been an observed issue within the WMF? In some areas. In my view, a well-functioning agile team is self-organizing and self-managed, and it's a manager's job to primarily set that team up for success, hire the right people, replace

Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site

2012-04-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: > Wasn't there a proposal a while back for a Stack Exchange [1] site > like this? It seems like the ideal software for it. StackExchange and the open source OSQA equivalent are indeed powerful tools and worth experimenting with. Anyone wanting t

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > What about personal development? Do your managers play an active role > in helping their reports develop with objectives, feedback, training, > etc? Yes, of course. There's a standard $ allotment for each employee in the budget to support tra

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not "Foundation") matters

2012-04-07 Thread Erik Moeller
Looking a bit further into the best way to do this - since mailman doesn't have any sensible export/import features that retain list member settings, we'll probably need to make a full copy of the list on the server, and then remove the members of the old one. I'll ask Daniel to look into that next

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009 ( 2011 ? ) & Bots

2011-06-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > In this case, the bot qualified on Norwegian Wikipedia. > > It's looking like global bots which aren't flagged everywhere are an > edge case that should be addressed next time around. I for one welcome our new interwiki bot overlords. Than

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcement: WMF engineering promotions and role changes

2011-06-20 Thread Erik Moeller
FYI :-) -- Forwarded message -- From: Erik Moeller Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:58 PM Subject: Announcement: WMF engineering promotions and role changes To: Wikimedia developers Hi folks, I’m pleased to announce the following promotions and role changes in engineering

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Tilman Bayer to the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-07-08 Thread Erik Moeller
Welcome HaeB! Great to have you on-board. :-) I've been waiting for this announcement -- lots of stuff to do! -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mai

Re: [Foundation-l] Start "questions and answers" site within Wikimedia

2011-07-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Oliver Moran wrote: > The issues you raise about open-source vs. proprietary software, that's an > open-source vs. proprietary software debate - and one that sounds like it is > on the ideological edge of that arena. As a software engineer who develops > proprietar

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

2011-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > The code exists and has been revamped a few times in response to reviews, > but I'm not sure whether there are actually any assigned resources for > pushing it to production at this time. Yes, there are. Ian and Neil are scheduled to do a cod

Re: [Foundation-l] Very sad news

2011-09-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:52 PM, emijrp wrote: > Michael S. Hart has died http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart :-( A terrible loss. A beautiful legacy. Erik ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://l

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Tempodivalse wrote: > I thought the Wikimedia community should know that a large portion > of WIkinews' contributor base has forked into its own project > (http://theopenglobe.org) Congratulations to the successful launch of the fork and good luck! Hopefully this

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:24 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > The current reality is that nearly any > project besides the English Wikipedia has almost no technical support. That's a misunderstanding of what's happening. I would characterize WMF's prioritization as an "A rising tide lifts all boats" polic

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:45 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > Ahem, The first of those were Hindi, and that was basically only after > a B# fight in the bug report that there shouldn't be any restriction > to installing it on the non en.wikipedia project With any feature there are normal considerations ab

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:26 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > My point is that without specific focus, these > other sites languish and slowly die. A software package that was built for > an encyclopedia can't work for a dictionary. It doesn't work for a > dictionary. It also can't and doesn't work for a nu

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:45 PM, David Gerard wrote: > The complete absence of mentioning the de:wp poll that was 85% against > any imposed filter is just *weird*. The intro and footer of Sue's post say: "The purpose of this post is not to talk specifically about the referendum results or the im

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that > blackout crap back. The only thing we truly could do is restore read access. But if the it.wikipedia community really wants to strike, there's very little we can do to

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Report, September 2011

2011-10-20 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, please find below the WMF report for September, in plain text. As always, the editable and formatted version is on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Report,_September_2011 The reports are posted on the Wikimedia blog, too: http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/corpora

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Dirk Franke wrote: > And people who talked privately about a fork for some time, start to think > and say it loud. Thanks for the update, Dirk. I think it's good that people are seriously discussing what it would mean to fork and how it would be done. Forking the

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: > This would appear to indicate the opposition is to *any* personal > image filter per the Board resolution, and the category-based proposal > additionally as an example of such rather than as the main topic of > the vote. I think that says "sho

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > There has always been a consensus that what you are > proposing is evil and against what we as a non-profit free content > site stand for. What am I proposing, Jussi-Ville? So far, the only material proposal I've made as part of this

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > No one said it would be evil. But since we already have working > solutions for this projects, why do we need another, now global, > solution, based on categories? Thats when it becomes hairy. The Board of Trustees didn't pass a resolution

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > What approaches do you have in mind, that would empower the editors and > the readers, aside from an hide/show all solution? 1) Add a "collapsible" [*] parameter to the File: syntax, e.g. [[File:Lemonparty.jpg|collapsible]]. 2) When presen

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 22 October 2011 22:51, Tobias Oelgarte > And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is > the use case this does not serve? Clearly Hebrew and Arabic Wikipedia found a "show/hide all" solution inadequate. Are folks fro

Re: [Foundation-l] News from Germany: White Bags and thinking about a fork

2011-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Isn't that the same as putting some images inside the category > "inappropriate content"? Will it not leave the impression to the reader > that "we" think that this is something not anybody should see? Can it be > easily used by providers t

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool

2011-10-26 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an > "Article Feedback Tool" that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The > goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards > something the

Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF

2011-10-28 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Teofilo wrote: > Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English > Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free > from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an > encyclopaedia ? In addition to English

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > A user preference or some other way of disabling the use of WikiLove on a > per-user basis might be nice. Absolutely, disabling it on the recipient side (so that a sending user gets a disabled icon saying "This user prefers more personal notes

[Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Nathan wrote: > I see Brandon replied to this thread several times; did anyone notice > if the question in the OP (if community consensus is required for > implementation, where was it demonstrated for en.wp) was answered? As a matter of general practice, the Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > If I understand correctly, the English Wikipedia is the main test > deployment for this as an experimental feature. While the feature > remains experimental, additional deployments to other wikis would only > happen if requested by community

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Nathan wrote: > That's a pretty bold statement for the WMF to make - "If you don't > trust the WMF, don't contribute to WMF projects." Are you sure that's > what you meant? Hi Nathan, let me try to clarify what I mean by trust in this context. We can, indeed mus

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Would it be overwhelmingly hard to program a pop-up dialogue which > would first ask which type of source the editor is citing from, which > would lead to a form with labeled textboxes for the > various elements of a reference citatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Hisham wrote: > Announcement of Wikimedia India Program Trust Congratulations, Hisham. I know this has been a lot of work for you and the team over the last few months. I look forward to seeing the programs that the trust and the chapter develop together. There's

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > My personal view is that there is enough work ahead for not just one, or > two, but numerous entities, formal and informal, to enter the fray and > actualize this potential. Already, there are many more requests for > collaboration within In

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:04 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: > to get a feeling about the size, the number of readers, contributors, and a > trend in it, i tried to find the india country statistics on editing and > reading: The major program initiative undertaken by Hisham's team so far is the India

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:21 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Unfortunately, the issue is not dead. That's correct; nobody from WMF has said otherwise. What's dead is the idea of a category-based image filter, not the idea of giving additional options to readers to reversibly collapse images they may f

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

2011-11-29 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Nathan wrote: Hey Nathan, a bit OT from the thread title, but just clarifying a couple of points: > * The WMF spends over $2 million on fundraising alone In FY 2010-11, WMF raised $23M in contributions, not counting $ restricted to future time periods. In the s

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:55 AM, David Gerard wrote: > * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were previously > wrongly rotated and were fixed by the feature? > * How many existing uploads, used on the wikis, were previously > correctly rotated and were messed up by the feature? As far a

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:12 PM, David Gerard wrote: > What was messed up was the > presentation of images that were already displayed correctly. Well, technically, they were displayed incorrectly. ;-) The image told the software "Please rotate me", and the software didn't. But the image would

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > The best place for further discussion of this issue is: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Rotation And, lots more discussions here as well: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bots/Work_re

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

2011-12-13 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:52 PM, David Richfield wrote: > What effect would a less aggressive tone have had?  Would you have > been more likely to convince your audience?  less likely to alienate > people? It's a fair point. I think part of the problem is that people are feeling that reasonable,

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool 5 testing deployment

2011-12-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > One thing I'd like to ask (which may be in the on-wiki documentation, sorry > if you've > already answered there) is what is going to happen to the other articles that > are not > part of this new test group? Hi Liam, this is the first time

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:59 AM, geni wrote: > We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose > the occasion should be marked. You're a year late to mark it. The year-end fader banner was first used in 2010, e.g.: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTem

[Foundation-l] Celebrating the 2011 campaign

2011-12-31 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, I just want to send a note to celebrate the enormous success of the 2011 fundraiser. It used to be the case that I was pretty involved in the annual campaign. For the last two fundraiser, Zack Exley's been running the show, and I'm enormously impressed by and proud of what he and his te

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2012-01-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > This year pictures at top left, blinking banners, etc - are becoming a norm. This is simply untrue hyperbole. The fader was used in the same way as last year, at the same time. (In fact, I think last year they used the word "urgent", which I

Re: [Foundation-l] A fundraiser for editors

2012-01-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM, James Heilman wrote: > The fundraiser for money has been working exceedingly well with our > number of donors increasing 10 fold since 2008. What we need now is a > fundraiser for editors. I meet well educated professionals who use > Wikipedia but have no ideas that

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