On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22 October 2011 22:51, Tobias Oelgarte > And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is > the use case this does not serve?
Clearly Hebrew and Arabic Wikipedia found a "show/hide all" solution inadequate. Are folks from those communities on the list? It would be interesting to hear from them as to why they ended up with the collapsing approach they took. To the extent that there's a discernible institutional view as to why these options are being discussed in the first place, it's not about morality of the images, but it's about helping our audience to not be freaked out, alienated or pissed off by the editorial choices we make in our projects. And they might be so because they're in a public or professional setting, or because they're using our projects together with their kids, or they don't know what to expect when looking up a given topic, or because they have particular sensibilities. A show/hide all images function is likely too drastic to serve some of these use cases well. So for example, if you're at work, you might not want to have autofellatio on your screen by accident, but you'd be annoyed at having to un-hide a fabulous screenshot of a wonderful piece of open source software in order to mitigate that risk. True, most of the time it's fairly self-evident what images an article might contain and you could make the choice to show/hide before looking it up. Not always, though, and of course it's somewhat illusionary to think that Wiki[mp]edia consumption always follows a highly predictable, intentional pattern. Making it easy for editors to say, based on normal editorial judgment and established practices in their project, "Hey, reader, there's something here you might not want to see ... and BTW, would you like to remember that choice?" seems like a more straightforward accommodation of the concerns that we're talking about than saying "We're not censored! Click here to turn off images if you don't like it". With that said, the mobile site already has a generic "Disable images" view and something similar would definitely make sense on the main site as well. If both options were available (marking images as collapsible in a standard way, & show/hide all for all media), communities could evolve standards and practices within that framework as they see fit. Erik _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
