Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Dennis During
It is not entirely a matter of recruitment. To me the problem appears in the form of how welcoming the projects are to the different types of contributors and types of contributions. That, in turn relates to the value system and cognitive and social biases of those who control the projects. As we

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Meadow Mari Wikipedia

2009-07-27 Thread Milos Rancic
Here is the response :) -- Forwarded message -- From: slavakileev Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 14:03 Subject: Re: Meadow Mari Wikipedia To: Millosh Cc: Сай 10.07.09, 12:32, "Millosh" : > I see that you are not coming too often on Meta Wikimedia. So, just to inform > you tha

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread geni
2009/7/26 effe iets anders : > Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the > committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here. > Thanks. > > Lodewijk > Doesn't appear to be. -- geni ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Marc Riddell
on 7/27/09 8:32 AM, Dennis During at dcdur...@gmail.com wrote: > It is not entirely a matter of recruitment. > > To me the problem appears in the form of how welcoming the projects are to > the different types of contributors and types of contributions. That, in > turn relates to the value system

[Foundation-l] Paths (was Analysis of statistics)

2009-07-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > And it is this control group, this "consolidation of power" which was > described earlier in this discussion, that is keeping the Project from > reaching its full potential. This issue has been brought up many times in > the past, but each time

Re: [Foundation-l] Paths (was Analysis of statistics)

2009-07-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Marc Riddell > wrote: >> And it is this control group, this "consolidation of power" which was >> described earlier in this discussion, that is keeping the Project from >> reaching its full potential. This issu

Re: [Foundation-l] Paths (was Analysis of statistics)

2009-07-27 Thread Marc Riddell
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Marc Riddell >> wrote: >>> And it is this control group, this "consolidation of power" which was >>> described earlier in this discussion, that is keeping the Project from >>> reaching its full potential. T

Re: [Foundation-l] Paths (was Analysis of statistics)

2009-07-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > on 7/27/09 1:36 PM, Milos Rancic at mill...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hm. Mail hasn't been finished. I wanted to save it and consider >> finishing it later (probably, I wouldn't send it). So, probably, you >> should forget for this email :) >> > N

[Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Philippe Beaudette
As part of the Foundation's Strategic Planning Initiative, a new wiki (http://strategy.wikimedia.org ) is being soft-launched today. This soft-launch is being announced only to foundation-l and a few other places, but is not at all secret - consider this an open-beta test. When you have a f

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Brian
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Philippe Beaudette < pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > As part of the Foundation's Strategic Planning Initiative, a new wiki ( > http://strategy.wikimedia.org > ) is being soft-launched today. This soft-launch is being announced > only to foundation-l and a few o

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread Christophe Henner
2009/7/27 geni : > 2009/7/26 effe iets anders : >> Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the >> committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here. >> Thanks. >> >> Lodewijk >> > > Doesn't appear to be. > > -- > geni > > __

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Brian wrote: > I recall convincing arguments on this list that meta was the appropriate > place for this, rather than fragmenting into a new wiki. This is because > previously created wikis succumb to wiki rot and eventually link spam. Why > were those arguments rej

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Brian
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Brian wrote: > > I recall convincing arguments on this list that meta was the appropriate > > place for this, rather than fragmenting into a new wiki. This is because > > previously created wikis succumb to wik

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Henning Schlottmann
John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Henning > Schlottmann wrote: >> And if there are kids with knowledge and understanding >> on these or other topics, they will be fascinated by Wikipedia and find >> the project on their own. We don't need to recruit these prodigy childs. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Milos Rancic wrote: > The whole thread is about long-term sustainability. At least, I > started it with this intention, mentioning that WMF started to work on > that (Strategy plan). "Long term" planning for the Foundation is not planning with contributors who will write on Wikipedia for several d

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Eugene Eric Kim
Hi Brian, On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Brian wrote: > No I hadn't, thank you. See also my response: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-July/053355.html > It doesn't cover the most important case in my mind: meta is where people > actually are! A new wiki is not a magic r

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread John at Darkstar
Probably a separate wiki will isolate the content from the community and make it less accessible for for other users. John Brian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Brian wrote: >>> I recall convincing arguments on this list that m

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/7/27 Brian : > It doesn't cover the most important case in my mind: meta is where people > actually are! Strategy.wikimedia.org is part of SUL, moving from one space to the other is trivial. To reach a very large group of people (much larger than the group of people currently editing on Meta)

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Brian
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/7/27 Brian : > > It doesn't cover the most important case in my mind: meta is where people > > actually are! > > Strategy.wikimedia.org is part of SUL, moving from one space to the > other is trivial. To reach a very large group of peopl

Re: [Foundation-l] strategy.wikimedia.org soft-launch

2009-07-27 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Brian wrote: > Oh, great. That basically covers it, assuming it is what I think it is (a > site notice on all SUL wikis). Yes, we've been using it since the 2009 Fundraiser for items ranging from donation drives to Wikimania announcements to the current Board elect

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread effe iets anders
I hope those procedures are fixed with a high priority. Because privacy is a serious issue, and users are referred to the ombudsmen committee often, assuming that is fully functional if necessary. If it is not, that means a lot more responsibility for the WMF, the stewards etc. Are the current memb

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread Al Tally
This is strange - in times past, we have had only 3 ombudsmen at a time, and now we have five. Are they all fairly active? Do they want to continue this role? Have they all been contacted? I notice, for example, that the enwiki based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think f

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Al Tally wrote: > I notice, for example, that the enwiki > based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for a > role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that. > I wouldn't necessarily define "active" by edits in this role, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/28 Casey Brown : > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Al Tally wrote: >> I notice, for example, that the enwiki >> based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for a >> role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that. >> > > I wouldn't necessarily define "a

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-27 Thread Al Tally
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Al Tally > wrote: > > I notice, for example, that the enwiki > > based ombudsman, Sam Korn, has made just one edit this month. I think for > a > > role like this, it is necessary to be more active than that. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-27 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Henning Schlottmann wrote: > John Vandenberg wrote: >> Young people have the most to gain from participating, because the >> skills that they acquire on wikimedia will stay with them, helping >> them in their many years to come. > > And what does Wikipedia get from those young people? We don't ha