Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-12-21 Thread Arlen Beiler
So for every article we have 960 active editors? I assume you wrote that wrong. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Risker wrote: > On 18 November 2010 18:33, David Gerard wrote: > > > On 18 November 2010 23:09, John Vandenberg wrote: > > > > > Am I 'paid editing' when I write articles during 9-5

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-12-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:37:40PM -0500, David Goodman wrote: > In my experience, it is simply not correct that people who may be paid > to edit, even for a nonprofit organization, are unlikely to have a > bias. (Of course, so do the unpaid. COI does not require money , but > money always produce

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-12-11 Thread David Goodman
In my experience, it is simply not correct that people who may be paid to edit, even for a nonprofit organization, are unlikely to have a bias. (Of course, so do the unpaid. COI does not require money , but money always produces COI.) I've seen too many cases of such people adding inappropriate

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-12-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:25:12AM +, FT2 wrote: > I drafted this. It still seems the best approach in terms of keeping good > editing and reducing problematic editing: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FT2/Commercial_and_paid_editing Hmm, your current rules fail the Duck test.(I also apply

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Bauder
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: 18 November 2010 18:51 > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age > To: risker...@gmail.com > > > In a message dated 11/18/2010 3:50:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, > risker...@gmail.com writes: &g

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread FT2
I drafted this. It still seems the best approach in terms of keeping good editing and reducing problematic editing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FT2/Commercial_and_paid_editing FT2 On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:05 AM, David Goodman wrote: > Most current paid editing gets deleted at Speedy, sim

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread David Goodman
Most current paid editing gets deleted at Speedy, simply because the organization has no serious claim to being notable. People who deliberately write paid articles on topics they know hopeless are unethical; if they write them without knowing, they are incompetent. But this sort of thing is not th

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Risker
On 18 November 2010 18:33, David Gerard wrote: > On 18 November 2010 23:09, John Vandenberg wrote: > > > Am I 'paid editing' when I write articles during 9-5 ? Is that bad? > > > The problem with paid editing is when it violates content guidelines, > such as NPOV. > > Someone paid to improve th

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 November 2010 23:09, John Vandenberg wrote: > Am I 'paid editing' when I write articles during 9-5 ?  Is that bad? The problem with paid editing is when it violates content guidelines, such as NPOV. Someone paid to improve the area of linguistics in general? (This has happened.) Fine by

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 November 2010 22:37, John Vandenberg wrote: >>> Someone on another list discussing this suggested the WMF marketing >>> monitoring the article about you as a service ... > Which list is this? Comcom. Idle chitchat, not a serious suggestion. (I certainly hope.) > It would be easy to bui

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: >>> >>> On 18 November 2010 11:30,   wrote: >>> >>> > Any one signed up yet? >>> > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 >> >> I could find anything wrong in their co

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Mono mium
I've signed up, for the heck of it - I wonder how big of a scam it is. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:01 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:53 AM, masti wrote: > > On 11/18/2010 12:30 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> Any one signed up yet? > >> http://www.ereleases.com

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:53 AM, masti wrote: > On 11/18/2010 12:30 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Any one signed up yet? >> http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 >> > I'm not able to find it now but there was an article form marketing/PR > professionals to fello

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Michael Peel
On 18 Nov 2010, at 15:42, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: >>> >>> On 18 November 2010 11:30, Â wrote: >>> Any one signed up yet? http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 >> >> I could find anything wrong in their code of

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Gray
On 18 November 2010 22:40, Fred Bauder wrote: > If it is that easy, maybe it should be a feature available as a courtesy > to anyone or any organization that has an article about them. And to everyone else, too :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Smith&feed=atom&action=history A

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread masti
On 11/18/2010 12:30 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > Any one signed up yet? > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 > I'm not able to find it now but there was an article form marketing/PR professionals to fellow marketeers describing why not to do exactly this wha

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Fred Bauder > wrote: >>> On 18 November 2010 21:28, John Vandenberg wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: >>> > It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work. >  Nice > scheme.  So it's not te

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On 18 November 2010 21:28, John Vandenberg wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Keegan Peterzell >>> wrote: >> It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work.  Nice scheme.  So it's not technically p

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 18 November 2010 21:28, John Vandenberg wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Keegan Peterzell >> wrote: > >>> It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work. >>>  Nice >>> scheme.  So it's not technically paid editing :) > >> That sounds similar to the role of a few

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Bauder
> It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work. Nice > scheme. So it's not technically paid editing :) > > "WikipediaExperts is a fast-growing network of experts which includes > many > Wikipedia editors. When a new assignment arrives we send it to the editor > whose profile i

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 November 2010 21:28, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: >> It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work.  Nice >> scheme.  So it's not technically paid editing :) > That sounds similar to the role of a few WMF staff...

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work.  Nice > scheme.  So it's not technically paid editing :) That sounds similar to the role of a few WMF staff... -- John Vandenberg

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 18 November 2010 15:57, Risker wrote: > On 18 November 2010 10:42, Fred Bauder wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: > > >> > > >> On 18 November 2010 11:30, Â wrote: > > >> > > >> > Any one signed up yet? > > >> > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Keegan Peterzell
It looks to me like they just get paid to get volunteers to work. Nice scheme. So it's not technically paid editing :) "WikipediaExperts is a fast-growing network of experts which includes many Wikipedia editors. When a new assignment arrives we send it to the editor whose profile is the best fi

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Risker
On 18 November 2010 10:42, Fred Bauder wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: > >> > >> On 18 November 2010 11:30, Â wrote: > >> > >> > Any one signed up yet? > >> > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 > > > > I could find anything wrong in their

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 17:42, Fred Bauder wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: > >> On 18 November 2010 11:30,   wrote: > >> > Any one signed up yet? > >> > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 > > > > I couldn't find anything wrong in their cod

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: >> >> On 18 November 2010 11:30,   wrote: >> >> > Any one signed up yet? >> > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 > > I could find anything wrong in their code of ethics > http://www.wikipediaexperts.com/codeofethics.h

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Gray
On 18 November 2010 11:30, wrote: > Any one signed up yet? > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 Well, fools and their money are easily parted, I suppose. http://wikipediaexperts.com/codeofethics.html sounds very nice - an improvement on most "online marketing consulta

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:09, David Gerard wrote: > > On 18 November 2010 11:30,   wrote: > > > Any one signed up yet? > > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 I could find anything wrong in their code of ethics http://www.wikipediaexperts.com/codeofethics.html -- Amir

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing comes of age

2010-11-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 November 2010 11:30, wrote: > Any one signed up yet? > http://www.ereleases.com/pr/visibility-wikipedia-easier-43135 Founder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Konanykhin I don't see what could possibly go wrong with this idea. - d. ___ fo