Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Began! http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language_issues If you have any further suggestions or comments, they are very welcome. Please use either the English or

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Mark, > > A page in the Portuguese Wikipedia could shut out > the community at large. A bilingual page would be > very hard to pull off. As far as I can tell, > non-Portuguese discussions are not welcomed there. > > I looked at Meta

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Mark, A page in the Portuguese Wikipedia could shut out the community at large. A bilingual page would be very hard to pull off. As far as I can tell, non-Portuguese discussions are not welcomed there. I looked at Meta and saw no place for a page like that. Could you be more specific? That's

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Hoi, To poor some cold water on this discussion. The language policy is quite clear. There is no room for two Portuguese Wikipedias. When you are able to convince the ISO 639-3 standard to make Portuguese a macro language it will become different. There have been languages that made that claim suc

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

I think there are two options: Meta and pt.wp itself. My personal opinion is that it does not need to be bilingual, but that is of course up to you. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Thanks Chad. I know that, but what kind of page (what title)? Where? > Would it be

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Wow, those are some bitter words. Aside from the deep disgust you have... I don't think we need to contact any professors, most editors are probably not professors anyway. If there are parties from each side who believe there are significant differences and a need to split, rather than bring the wo

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Thanks Chad. I know that, but what kind of page (what title)? Where? Would it be alright to be bilingual? Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado At 23:25 23-03-2010, you wrote: >It requires you to take initiative to start the page and try to draw >others into a discussion. You don't need anyone's

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

That is a good idea, but you have the work cut out for you. Simply e-mail the article «Portuguese language» to the largest possible number of professors of Portuguese at the most prestigious universities in the world and in both Portugal and Brazil and ask for their comments. A few things in

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > I absolutely agree. My "characterization of > possible motivations is frankly beyond the pale." > In fact it is a very rosy characterization. There > is proof buried in this mailing list and in my > mailboxes of utter indifference, i

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

I absolutely agree. My "characterization of possible motivations is frankly beyond the pale." In fact it is a very rosy characterization. There is proof buried in this mailing list and in my mailboxes of utter indifference, if not outright contempt for the problems of a Wikipedia in a "foreig

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

As an example, maybe an article, possibly a featured one on the site be assigned to a few Brazilian Portuguese speakers to edit and to a few European Portuguese speakers to edit to their respective dialects, AND not on content. Measures could be taken to check that these are not biased 'separatist

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Sorry, but I could not grasp the argument "that the fomentation around the European Portuguese issue seems to be perennial" is "clear evidence that the community within the Portuguese wikipedia has a very good handle on the issue." Does it mean that if a problem doesn't go away it's because it

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

This is a very interesting suggestion and the recognition that it is important to remove tensions is very commendable. Unfortunately I haven't heard of any plans for Cyrillic to be adopted to write Portuguese. Now consider that Latin characters were use by 200 million people and Cyrillic by 20

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > > I understand that the topic started with a suggestion to create "a > new version of Wikipedia in Portuguese from Portugal", but I can't > fail to notice that, for the wider Wikimedia community, avoiding to > address any of problems of the Portuguese Wikipedia,

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

It is gratifying to know that someone is so sure that different dialects of Portuguese are mutually intelligible. I speak more than one language and have never able to understand all native speakers of any language both in speech and writing. How dumb of me. Blind non-interventionist policies h

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

The ability to speak Portuguese is really not a requirement to participate in a serious discussion about many problems concerning the Portuguese Wikipedia. There are millions of people who speak Portuguese, but are total or functional analphabets. I would not consider that they meet the requi

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > I don't see any evidence that "nobody outside the > Portuguese community can see a problem" unless > one personal opinion should be considered proof. > > The statement was not about anybody outside the > Portuguese community seeing a problem, but that > "the issu

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

I don't see any evidence that "nobody outside the Portuguese community can see a problem" unless one personal opinion should be considered proof. The statement was not about anybody outside the Portuguese community seeing a problem, but that "the issue keeps popping up". The very fact that is

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Sir Lestaty de Lioncourt wrote: > Yep, if you start a article in one version, this article must be continued > in that version, but this is not a problem for the community (in the past > yes, now no). At sr.wp we use the same rule in relation to writing articles i

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

On 22 March 2010 20:24, Marcus Buck wrote: > I hope you speak Portuguese. Cause decisions like this should be made by > people who know the language variants and their differences and not by > outsiders. Leave the decision to the speakers of Portuguese. Anyway it > seems that the majority of speak

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Thomas Dalton hett schreven: > On 22 March 2010 19:01, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > >> Perhaps the reason the issue keeps popping up is >> that, although it has been extensively >> «discussed», it has not been properly addressed, much less solved. >> > > I think the reason it has never

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

On 22 March 2010 19:01, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Perhaps the reason the issue keeps popping up is > that, although it has been extensively > «discussed», it has not been properly addressed, much less solved. I think the reason it has never been addressed is that nobody outside the Portugue

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Ever since Mark Williamson posted the message from Manuel Coutinho suggesting the creation of a new version of Wikipedia in Portuguese from Portugal, I have wondered if this list is the best place to discuss this matter. This is a very serious and recurring issue: 2005: http://meta.wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Yep, if you start a article in one version, this article must be continued in that version, but this is not a problem for the community (in the past yes, now no). Lestaty de Lioncourt 2010/3/22 David Goodman > If I understand the page in the ptWP correctly, they do not have the > equivalent of

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

If I understand the page in the ptWP correctly, they do not have the equivalent of the enWP rule that topics special to the UK, such as the article on London, are writing in the UK version of English, and those special to the US, like the article on New York City , are written in the American vers

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Hello Milos, The languages pt-pt and pt-br, they do not have a significant difference (pt-pt in general have a C in the words and pt-br no, among other things not very important). The Portuguese Wikipedia have many internal problems and this is the reality for people always request a new wiki (Se

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Having two wikipedias for the same language is not allowed within the rules > of the language policy. The premise that an article on the > pt.wikipedia.orgis in Portuguese Portuguese is a fallacy. It would be > the same as stating > that every article on the English

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:13 AM, oscar wrote: > it the two are mixed, how to know which one to split off? > one can also consider to rename the domain and split of portuguese > portuguese with a separate project to be started from scratch. > > in other words: to decide which (sub)community has to

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Hoi, Having two wikipedias for the same language is not allowed within the rules of the language policy. The premise that an article on the pt.wikipedia.orgis in Portuguese Portuguese is a fallacy. It would be the same as stating that every article on the English language Wikipedia is in American E

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

it the two are mixed, how to know which one to split off? one can also consider to rename the domain and split of portuguese portuguese with a separate project to be started from scratch. in other words: to decide which (sub)community has to start all over is not an easy decision. very best, osca

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

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