On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:13 AM, phoebe ayers wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>>> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
>>> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
>>> a European country without African popul
On 22 November 2010 05:00, David Gerard wrote:
> On 22 November 2010 11:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
>
>> Glad to read this question here, have often wondered about this myself.
>> User:Emelian1977, an African American PhD student named Brenton Stewart,
>> conducted a survey of Black American Wikiped
> If the Foundation wanted to enquire, or do something about the relative
> dearth of African American editors, a good person to contact would
> probably
> be Henry Louis Gates
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates
>
> He's a Harvard professor, famous for having been arrested on the fr
On 22 November 2010 11:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Glad to read this question here, have often wondered about this myself.
> User:Emelian1977, an African American PhD student named Brenton Stewart,
> conducted a survey of Black American Wikipedians in 2008. I can only find a
> short write-up of hi
jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> So I think one reason why we don't see more diversity is that the
> established, predominantly white user base is giving editors from other
> backgrounds a pretty hard time!
>
You could also add in the photo of the bare chested African adolescent that was
proposed
If the Foundation wanted to enquire, or do something about the relative
dearth of African American editors, a good person to contact would probably
be Henry Louis Gates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates
He's a Harvard professor, famous for having been arrested on the front
porch o
Glad to read this question here, have often wondered about this myself.
User:Emelian1977, an African American PhD student named Brenton Stewart,
conducted a survey of Black American Wikipedians in 2008. I can only find a
short write-up of his study online:
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http://webcache.googleuserc
And my Knols are also not read in Africa
evidence
http://statcounter.com/project/standard/visitor_map.php?project_id=4543053
Although there is apparently one person in Pakistan who is interested.
The point of this message is that the reach in Africa doesn't seem limited
to a Wikipedia issue.
> Actually, none of these "statistics" are relevant, because the overwhelming
> majority of Wikipedians do not use userboxes to describe their nationality,
> age, sex, or race.
Sure, and user page with userboxes =/= (active) wikipedian.
przykuta
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On 11/18/2010 11:21 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
> He was not raised in an African American culture at all.
>
Regardless of whether or not Obama was raised in whatever you consider
to be 'African American culture', he has no doubt experienced life in a
very different way from someone who has 'w
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 20:21, wrote:
> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> mill...@gmail.com writes:
>> As it is pointed to me privately, I have one corrections and one
>> clarifications:
>> * First, my impression wasn't that Obama was raised inside of the
>> Africa
In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:14:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mill...@gmail.com writes:
> As it is pointed to me privately, I have one corrections and one
> clarifications:
> * First, my impression wasn't that Obama was raised inside of the
> African American culture (first meaning). However,
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Brian J Mingus
wrote:
> I haven't seen the numbers lately but in the past it was true that the
> majority of Wikipedia's traffic came from Google. If that is still true it
> seems likely that Google's demographics mirror what we are seeing here. The
> implication i
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
>
> I suppose that it could help up to some extent. However, we have at
> least one -- already identified or not -- big systemic problem. And it
> looks to me that it is not connected exclusively to African Americans.
>
I think this is part of
On 18 November 2010 13:44, Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 17:31, Przykuta wrote:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_American_Wikipedians
> >
> > 146 who use template {{User afr-amer}} on user pages. i don't know who is
> active in wp
>
> After looking into the numbe
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 15:47, Fred Bauder wrote:
> If there were any demand for it, which there is not, a nationalist
> "African-American" wikipedia would be acceptable, however it could not be
> based on language differences. However, I doubt that would be acceptable
> to either Wikipedians gen
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 17:31, Przykuta wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_American_Wikipedians
>
> 146 who use template {{User afr-amer}} on user pages. i don't know who is
> active in wp
After looking into the number of American, Polish and Serbian
Wikipedians, I thought th
On 18 November 2010 05:47, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Sue mentioned tech-centricity of Wikimedia community. I would say that
> it is a good enough explanation for less women and less African
> Americans in Wikimedian community. But, disproportion in the case of
> African Americans is much bigger than d
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 14:47, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Although the most of participants in this discussion understood me
> well, I want to be clear: I am talking about the specific 30M+ big
> ethnic group living in US, which is named today as "African Americans"
> and which ancestors came there as
> Speaking about numbers [1], there are ~100M of non Latin American
> females and almost 38M of African Americans. According to the fact
> that we have a number of prominent American female Wikimedians, I
> would expect that we have a couple of prominent African American
> Wikimedians.
http://en.w
There seems to be nothing on Wikia, Black wiki is "about Criterion's
video game Black". Black Books wiki is about "BAEFTA award-wining sitcom,
Black Books." Nothing about African-American.
You're on to a real problem, which by the way, as should be obvious,
Americans don't know how to deal with or
Although the most of participants in this discussion understood me
well, I want to be clear: I am talking about the specific 30M+ big
ethnic group living in US, which is named today as "African Americans"
and which ancestors came there as slaves. I am not talking about the
the second generation imm
2010/11/18 Ryan Kaldari :
> So for 200 years it's OK to classify anyone with a drop of African blood
> as "black" (and subject them to all forms of racism and discrimination),
> but once a 1/2 African is elected president, he can't be called "black"
> all the sudden?
>
> References:
> [1] http://en
It's very desirable that people in different ethnic groups are on an equal
footing and can engage and edit. It's also very desirable that if systemic
issues prevent swathes of the national or global population doing so (issues
can affect specific groups, locales, social categories, genders, ages, e
I would not wish that world upon anyone, Fred. African Americans are
underrepresented for the same reason that Native Americans and about 300
ethnic groups are: lack of internet access and, with access emerging,
learning how to engage in the internet. It's not because any specific group
does not
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauder
> wrote:
>
>> > For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
>> > African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living
>> in
>> > a European country without African population, so everything seemed
>> to
>> > me qu
On 17 November 2010 15:39, George Herbert wrote:
> Ah, bueno. I was unaware of the Kartika version; excellent that the
> Foundation's already figured it out and was working on it.
>
> Thanks, Philippe and MzMcBride. Good job to whoever thought it up
> earlier and did the test run.
>
>
> On Wed,
Oh, and as an afterthought, compare our articles on hip-hop[1] on the
English Wikipedia to our coverage of country music[2].
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanci_Griffith
--
~Keegan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> > For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
> > African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
> > a European country without African population, so everything seemed to
> > me quite normal for
So for 200 years it's OK to classify anyone with a drop of African blood
as "black" (and subject them to all forms of racism and discrimination),
but once a 1/2 African is elected president, he can't be called "black"
all the sudden?
References:
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Integrity
ve to get more contributors.
>>
>> The short answer:
>
>
> this seems like a whole lot of unfounded (and fairly offensive)
> generalizations? If you're really making a class-based argument, then
> yes, I think the privileges of having free time, a decent education
> and good internet access are al
2010/11/17 Ziko van Dijk :
> According to the statistics only 0.2% of the page views in Germany go
> to Wikipedia in Turkish, by the way.Turks in Germany belong largely to
> social classes that tend not to read much in an encyclopedia, and when
> they need one for school, they presumably copy thei
Ah, bueno. I was unaware of the Kartika version; excellent that the
Foundation's already figured it out and was working on it.
Thanks, Philippe and MzMcBride. Good job to whoever thought it up
earlier and did the test run.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Philippe Beaudette
wrote:
> We tested
George Herbert wrote:
> Obligatory current event tie-in -
>
> Could we get a more multi-ethnic "I am a Wikipedian" campaign going
> for the fundraising drive?
>
> As attractive looking as Jimmy is, the community isn't a million
> clones of him. Seeing more of the variety would certainly help
> a
We tested Kartika earlier this week, and it did very very well. So we're
putting together a campaign based around editor appeals, and many of the folks
we have are not ... well, people who look like me. So I'm very happy about
that.
pb
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Thanks, Sue.
Obligatory current event tie-in -
Could we get a more multi-ethnic "I am a Wikipedian" campaign going
for the fundraising drive?
As attractive looking as Jimmy is, the community isn't a million
clones of him. Seeing more of the variety would certainly help
attract attention, I thin
Fred Bauder wrote:
> [a bunch of inflammatory comments]
... and an entire mailing list facepalms. Good grief, Fred.
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On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
> On 17 November 2010 13:35, phoebe ayers wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
>>> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
>>> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am li
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
>> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
>> a European country without African population, so everything seemed to
>> me quite normal for a lon
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:43 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder
> wrote:
> >> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
> >> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
> >> a European country without African
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
>> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
>> a European country without African population, so everything seemed to
>> me quite normal for a lon
On 17 November 2010 13:35, phoebe ayers wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
>> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
>> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
>> a European country without African population,
> Hello,
>
> In fact, I cannot remember that I have ever met in Germany or the
> Netherlands a Turkish or Moroccan Wikimedian. Maybe there was one, but
> he spoke good German and presented himself as User:Encylco-dude81 so
> that I did not notice the "migration background". :-)
>
> According to the
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Strainu wrote:
> 2010/11/17 :
>> Obama is exactly half-black and half-white.
>> Funny how he is "African American" but of course he is equally "Caucasian
>> American"
>
> Which shows only hot dangerous "political correctness" can get. I
> wonder if in 2050, when t
>>
>> The short answer: Wikipedia editors are volunteers and
>> African-Americans
>> rarely volunteer.
>>
>> The medium answer: African-American editors often edit only articles
>> which relate to African-American and do that in a point of view way.
>>
>> The long answer: large blocks of African-Am
2010/11/18 Strainu :
> 2010/11/17 :
>> In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> steven.wall...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it,
>>> but
>>> Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in
2010/11/17 :
> In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> steven.wall...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it,
>> but
>> Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the
>> second
>> sentence of h
Hello,
In fact, I cannot remember that I have ever met in Germany or the
Netherlands a Turkish or Moroccan Wikimedian. Maybe there was one, but
he spoke good German and presented himself as User:Encylco-dude81 so
that I did not notice the "migration background". :-)
According to the statistics on
>
> The short answer: Wikipedia editors are volunteers and African-Americans
> rarely volunteer.
>
> The medium answer: African-American editors often edit only articles
> which relate to African-American and do that in a point of view way.
>
> The long answer: large blocks of African-American are
> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
> a European country without African population, so everything seemed to
> me quite normal for a long time.
>
> I tried to make a parallel between Roma peopl
In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
steven.wall...@gmail.com writes:
> Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it,
> but
> Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the
> second
> sentence of his en.wiki article. It
Well why only African American Wikimedians, I think the issue might be the
same with other Racial Minorities in the US. How about Hispanic American or
Asian American Wikimedians. Apart from social issues inherent to minorities,
I think there might be something worth looking into, I doubt there woul
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any
> African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in
> a European country without African population, so everything seemed to
> me quite normal for a long
(To my knowledge) no one has an answer to this question that is backed by
rigorous research. This is one vital demographic question to ask, but just
looking at the sparse (self-selected) Category at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_American_Wikipedians is not
really evidence that we're
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