2009/12/18 David Gerard :
> 2009/12/17 Thomas Dalton :
>
>> I agree with Bod - most people I know will have heard of Craigslist,
>> but I don't know anyone that has used it. We know about it because it
>> is mentioned quite often on TV imported from the US. However, despite
>> everyone having heard
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote:
> Local celebrities for next time. "Simon Cowell says: Donate to
>> Wikipedia or I'll put out *two* X-Factor singles for Christmas. I warn
>> you."
>>
>
>
> There has been two X-factor singles. One from the winner, and one from all
> the fina
David Gerard wrote:
2009/12/17 Thomas Dalton :
I agree with Bod - most people I know will have heard of Craigslist,
but I don't know anyone that has used it. We know about it because it
is mentioned quite often on TV imported from the US. However, despite
everyone having heard of Craigslist, it
2009/12/17 Thomas Dalton :
> I agree with Bod - most people I know will have heard of Craigslist,
> but I don't know anyone that has used it. We know about it because it
> is mentioned quite often on TV imported from the US. However, despite
> everyone having heard of Craigslist, it seems Britons
2009/12/17 Philippe Beaudette :
>
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bod Notbod wrote:
>
>> Craigslist is certainly well known. But entirely
>> unused.
>
>
> That's fascinating, actually - anthropologically, I'm intrigued at a
> site that's a household name in that demographic while being unused.
> Gl
Bod Notbod wrote:
>> If we put a quote from Nelson Mandela there, for example, it isn't very
>> likely that he will get any money
>> or website traffic or any quantifiable benefit from our banner.
> I'm not against the Craig banner but you do raise an interesting
> point, in that I think we cou
On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Bod Notbod wrote:
> Craigslist is certainly well known. But entirely
> unused.
That's fascinating, actually - anthropologically, I'm intrigued at a
site that's a household name in that demographic while being unused.
Globalization adds interesting twists to al
With regard to whether Craigslist is too parochial, I can give some
insight into the UK view.
Amongst my online friends (young, 20-40 year old, IT literate,
affluent consumers) Craigslist is certainly well known. But entirely
unused. I haven't heard of a single person using the site from this
coun
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> If we put a quote from Nelson Mandela there, for example, it isn't very
> likely that he will get any money
> or website traffic or any quantifiable benefit from our banner.
I'm not against the Craig banner but you do raise an interestin
2009/12/17 Mark Williamson :
> This is great publicity for Craigslist and it would be silly to measure the
> impact by the number of pageviews for our own page on Craigslist. I think
> the point Geni was trying to make is that it has indeed raised some interest
> in Craigslist, rather than just he
Overly simplifying, indeed. How did you arrive at the $40 estimate? Are you
trying to convert the 15K pageviews in 1 day into a dollar value?
Do you think that when people see advertisements on TV, they all immediately
flock to websites to look up the product? No, of course not, only a minority
of
On 12/16/2009 05:05 AM, geni wrote:
> There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
> Craigslist but we can measure this:
>
> http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
>
Interesting! If I read that right, the Craigslist page on Wikipedia got
an extra 15k pageviews or so.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:05 AM, geni wrote:
>> There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
>> Craigslist but we can measure this:
>>
>> http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
>>
>
> If you are going to play that ga
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:05 AM, geni wrote:
> There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
> Craigslist but we can measure this:
>
> http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
>
If you are going to play that game, the one for Craig Newmark is better:
http://stats.grok.se/en
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM, geni wrote:
> There is one point left. We can't measure the change in traffic to
> Craigslist but we can measure this:
>
> http://stats.grok.se/en/200912/Craigslist
>
I'm actually not making a point with this link, I just find it interesting:
http://stats.grok.s
It sounds like some Foundation-l readers are unfamiliar with Craigslist.
Here are some news clippings to better familiarize yourself:
*http://tinyurl.com/craigslist-in-news
*Gregory Kohs*
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2009/12/15 Bryan Tong Minh :
> What particularly annoys me, is that the banner invites people to to click on
> them, but when I click on it I get to the Dutch donation page, which does not
> answer my question at all "Why Craig of Craigslist urges me to support
> Wikipedia".
This is a known proble
2009/12/16 Liam Wyatt :
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton
>> wrote:
>> > We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
>> > matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
>> > tha
I actually liked the idea of a picture of the man whose making the appeal
behind the text (regardless of the fact that Craigslist seemed very
US-centric to me, and appreciating the fact that members of the Advisory
Board would do such appeals) and I miss it from the Jimmy appeal. (It is an
unsubsta
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
> > We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
> > matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
> > that different.
>
> As you say, tha
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
> > We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
> > matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
> > that different.
>
> As you say, tha
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
> matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
> that different.
As you say, that one was controversial and this one isn't that
different. Then it s
On 12/15/2009 11:20 AM, Bryan Tong Minh wrote:
> I for one have never heart of Craigslist before and I don't think I have heart
> anybody talking about it before in real life.
>
This may be a regional thing.
According to Alexa, Craiglist is the 11th most popular US web site,
while Wikipedia
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:00, phoebe ayers wrote:
> Indeed; and arguably Craig Newmark is much, much more famous in San
> Francisco (where he's a local celeb) than he would be pretty much
> anywhere else. That might be part of the issue here. If you know who
> he is in the SF-tech-community-phil
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
> geni wrote:
>> 2009/12/15 Michael Snow :
>>
>>> That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help -
>>> only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project
>>> that's built around lots and lots of individua
: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist
If I were a rich and famous person that wanted to help out the WMF I
would get shitscared by this list and wouldn't touch the foundation with
a 10 foot pole
W
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Domas Mituzas writes:
>
> Erik,
>
> > The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
> > Wikipedia.
>
> How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
countries, or countries where
> English is used as second/primary language on the web? :)
>
I fo
If I were a rich and famous person that wanted to help out the WMF I
would get shitscared by this list and wouldn't touch the foundation with
a 10 foot pole
W
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geni wrote:
> 2009/12/15 Michael Snow :
>
>> That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help -
>> only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project
>> that's built around lots and lots of individual contributions (whether
>> we're talking content, finances
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM, geni wrote:
> The text of the advert:
> "Craig of Craigslist urges you to support Wikipedia. Why?"
>
> In that context the separation between person and company is rather weak.
The name "Craig Newmark" is web-searchable but many people not in the
web industry won'
2009/12/15 Philippe Beaudette :
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, geni wrote:
>
>> So you are okey with adverts on wikipedia as long as they are ah
>> ""supporting" a good cause"?
>
>
> Noun
> advertisement (plural advertisements)
> (marketing) A commercial solicitation designed to sell some comm
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, geni wrote:
> So you are okey with adverts on wikipedia as long as they are ah
> ""supporting" a good cause"?
Noun
advertisement (plural advertisements)
(marketing) A commercial solicitation designed to sell some commodity,
service or similar.
I really don't se
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/12/15 Delphine Ménard :
> > And whether it is Craig Newmark, the Dalai Lama, the Pope or my
> > neighbours, if their "supporting" a good cause actually works and
> > money comes in and awareness rises, frankly, I say "go ahead" and
> > "thanks
2009/12/15 Delphine Ménard :
> Just so I understand your argument. Were Jimmy Wales to lend his name
> and good will to support a cause {insert here name of noble cause you
> believe in}, I suppose you would summarize his help as "oh, he's
> trying to get his company to get a better image"? Wait, I
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 16:47, geni wrote:
> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
> million. Craigslist is at about 65 million wikipedia is at about 300
> million. For groups that almost entirely exist online that's a fair
> solid way of showing which is more significa
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:58 AM, geni wrote:
> 2009/12/15 Anthony :
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni wrote:
> >
> >> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
> >> million.
> >>
> >
> > Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company
>
We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent
matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't
that different. Craigslist gets some publicity and we get some money
(hopefully - it's more definite in the matched donations case, of
course). I don't see a pro
2009/12/15 Anthony :
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni wrote:
>
>> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
>> million.
>>
>
> Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company he
> works for. The horror.
With Yizhao Lang it was what they w
2009/12/15 Michael Snow :
> That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help -
> only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project
> that's built around lots and lots of individual contributions (whether
> we're talking content, finances, or publicity), none o
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni wrote:
> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
> million.
>
Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company he
works for. The horror.
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geni wrote:
> 2009/12/15 David Gerard :
>
>> Craig Newmark's on the WMF advisory board. Craigslist is already
>> famous. I really think it's pushing us forward, not the other way
>> around.
>>
> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a
> million. Craigslist is at ab
2009/12/15 David Gerard :
> 2009/12/15 Mark Williamson :
>
>> If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us?
>
>
> Didn't we have this discussion around Virgin Unite?
>
> >http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing
>
To an
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Anthony wrote:
> I assume Mr. Newmark made a significant donation.
>
Looking at "Craig's appeal", now I see what gave me that impression: "I'm a
proud supporter of Wikipedia, and I encourage you to make a donation to
support their work too." Could be just a pl
It says that you're willing to acknowledge your sponsors?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us?
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Willia
2009/12/15 Mark Williamson :
> If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us?
Didn't we have this discussion around Virgin Unite?
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing
Craig Newmark's on the WMF advisory board. Cra
If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other.
>
>
> Who says it's free? I assume M
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other.
Who says it's free? I assume Mr. Newmark made a significant donation.
Maybe that assumption is wrong, though.
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2009/12/15 Nathan :
> Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
> absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
> them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if
> it were Tiger Woods...
>
> Nathan
Who on this list do you think thi
Is it really anti-capitalist to be against giving Craigslist free publicity?
Mark
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Nathan wrote:
> Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
> absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
> them to have. Happy to see
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if
it were Tiger Woods...
Nathan
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Peter Gervai wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas wrote:
>>> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
>>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
>> countries, or countrie
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas wrote:
>> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
>> Wikipedia.
>
> How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
> countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary language on
> the w
Erik,
> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
> Wikipedia.
How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking
countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary language on the
web? :)
Domas
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May I ask why that message appears to be not following out standard
template and having a image as the background? all the others I've
seen only have the logo's in them Images like that just make them
even more distracting and disliked.
-Peachey
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2009/12/15 Erik Moeller :
> Just as a bit of general background for this thread:
>
> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
> Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to
> endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing
> reasonably
Key phrase for me in this e-mail was "CraigsList itself is a for-profit",
despite the fact that it was hidden in a parenthetical remark after lots of
glowing praise... The "Craigslist Foundation" is not Craigslist.
According to the Wikipedia article on Craigslist:
"The company does not formally d
Just as a bit of general background for this thread:
The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to
endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing
reasonably well, but not fantastically so; we wi
It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other. Anybody
who does not know what Craigslist is now will see it every time they see the
banner, may google it or look it up on WP to find out what it is, and start
using it.
Any time we put the name of any kind of person or organizat
The banner can be seen at:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=2009_Craig_Appeal1
-Robert Rohde
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote:
> care to give some context to your question?
>
> [[witty lama]]
>
> wittylama.com/blog
> Peace, love &
On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:50 PM, geni wrote:
> I see we have taken to advertising craigslist. Would anyone care to
> explain why?
I fail to understand how acknowledging the existence of a company
founded by an advisory board member who kindly consents to begging for
money on our behalf const
Geni is speaking of the huge banner on Enwp at the moment featuring Craig of
craigslist. Hit reload a few times if you haven't seen it. It links to a
clearly spoken statement of support for wikipedia.
To avoid you haivng to click and goofing up the counters, here is what it says:
"
I'm a proud s
Geni's referring to a fundraiser sitenotice with a picture of Craig Newmark,
and the text "Craig of Craigslist urges you to support Wikipedia. Why?"
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote:
> care to give some context to your question?
>
> [[witty lama]]
>
> wittylama.com/blog
> Peac
care to give some context to your question?
[[witty lama]]
wittylama.com/blog
Peace, love & metadata
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM, geni wrote:
> I see we have taken to advertising craigslist. Would anyone care to explain
> why?
>
> --
> geni
>
>
I see we have taken to advertising craigslist. Would anyone care to explain why?
--
geni
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