- Original Message
> From: MZMcBride
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 6:47:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia "Storyteller" job opening
>
>
> If someone has the time to break this report down m
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 6 March 2011 23:54, MZMcBride wrote:
>> So... that's a no? There's no record of who wrote what? I think people in
>> the community are interested to know how much of the strategic plan came
>> from various stakeholders, both the ideas and the actual pieces of the
>> repor
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 03:05, John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
>> ...
>> Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
>> just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
>
> I'm more than a bit disturbed to
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
> ...
> Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
> just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> How cares who wrote what? What matter
On 6 March 2011 23:54, MZMcBride wrote:
> So... that's a no? There's no record of who wrote what? I think people in
> the community are interested to know how much of the strategic plan came
> from various stakeholders, both the ideas and the actual pieces of the
> report. If you feel that it's un
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:54 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Philippe Beaudette wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:06 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> >
> >> Sue Gardner wrote:
> >>> Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
> >>> just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians
Philippe Beaudette wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:06 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>> Sue Gardner wrote:
>>> Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
>>> just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
>>> I'm not denying that some Wikimedians may
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:06 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Sue Gardner wrote:
> > Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
> > just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
> > I'm not denying that some Wikimedians may feel alienated from the
> > Wik
Sue Gardner wrote:
> Ah, Sarah, I don't think that's particularly fair. Bear in mind we've
> just published a strategic plan that 1,000+ Wikimedians helped create.
> I'm not denying that some Wikimedians may feel alienated from the
> Wikimedia Foundation: I'm sure it is true for some. But "somethin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:26 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> You appear to be generalising from your personal preferences to the
> world here. This is a common fallacy and a really bad idea in general.
I have heard numerous complains from other volunteers who thought that
WMF is spending its money irra
In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:08:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
wikipe...@frontier.com writes:
> If
> people actually understood how collaboration on a wiki works, it would
> be much easier for them to accept the projects for what they are, rather
> than creating drama about things they aren't
-Original Message-
From: Michael Snow
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia "Storyteller" job opening
On 3/1/2011 2:41 PM, Pronoein wrote:
> Thank you for your answer Michael. However:
> «Note that
On 2 March 2011 01:26, phoebe ayers wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Marc Riddell
> wrote:
>> on 3/1/11 7:08 PM, Michael Snow at wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
>>> This explanation is quite insightful, I think. The challenge described
>> Michael, do you, and the rest of the Foundation s
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:39 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Andrew Gray wrote:
>> (The actual job description did make my eyes roll a bit, though.
>> "Storyteller", oh dear.)
>
> Thank you very much for this post, Andrew. This post clarified the job role
> in a very nice, clear way and I really appreciate
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Andrew Gray wrote:
>> Here's one line of reasoning:
>>
>> a) Our fundraising was effective (it brought in money) but also pretty
>> tedious for readers - it relied heavily on variants of one banner,
>> with the side-effect that millions upon milli
Andrew Gray wrote:
> Here's one line of reasoning:
>
> a) Our fundraising was effective (it brought in money) but also pretty
> tedious for readers - it relied heavily on variants of one banner,
> with the side-effect that millions upon millions of people were forced
> to stare at one J. Wales for
On 3/1/2011 4:31 PM, SlimVirgin wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 18:06, Sue Gardner wrote:
>> On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirgin wrote:
>>> Michael, I wouldn't underestimate the "I'm being exploited" feeling for
>>> people either leaving, or failing to join up. In Wikipedia's early years, we
>>> we
On 2 March 2011 00:53, Erik Moeller wrote:
> Stories are absolutely essential to any non-profit's ability to
> persuade new people to support or join its cause. Sometimes we tell
> our stories well, sometimes we tell them poorly. Telling a story well
> is a very specific skillset that few people p
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Marc Riddell wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
>>> Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want and
>>> they
>>> choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a general
>>> need while being somewhat o
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> Stories are absolutely essential to any non-profit's ability to
> persuade new people to support or join its cause. Sometimes we tell
> our stories well, sometimes we tell them poorly. Telling a story well
> is a very specific skillset that fe
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Marc Riddell wrote:
>
> > On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
> >> Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want
> and
> >> they
> >> choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a
> general
> >> need while being s
On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirgin wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein wrote:
>
>> Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
>> > On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
>> >> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
>> >> reasons that volunteers are leav
Stories are absolutely essential to any non-profit's ability to
persuade new people to support or join its cause. Sometimes we tell
our stories well, sometimes we tell them poorly. Telling a story well
is a very specific skillset that few people possess. Even for those
who are good writers (and of
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 18:06, Sue Gardner wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 15:54, SlimVirgin wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein wrote:
> >
> >> Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
> >> > On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
> >> >> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns
> On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
>> Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want and
>> they
>> choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a general
>> need while being somewhat open-minded about how might be filled. This
>> situation
>>
On 2 March 2011 00:00, Birgitte SB wrote:
> Also you have to remember that the purpose of
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller is not to explain
> the job to curious community members.
Maybe but it's the only information we have (openess not being the
foundation's strong
On 3/1/2011 2:46 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
> Ambiguity is only a bad thing when someone knows exactly what they want and
> they
> choose to be unclear about it rather than when is someone aware of a general
> need while being somewhat open-minded about how might be filled. This
> situation
> strike
From: Birgitte SB
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 4:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia "Storyteller" job opening
From: MZMcBride
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 16:41, Pronoein wrote:
> Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
> > On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
> >> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
> >> reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
> > Based on the one survey of form
On 3/1/2011 2:41 PM, Pronoein wrote:
> Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
>> On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
>>> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
>>> reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
>> Based on the one survey of former contributors
I'm not with the WMF, to clarify.
Your point stands, however, as the WMF team rarely contributes to content on
the wikis they know so much about.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:45 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 23:41, The Mono wrote:
>
> > We think so little about our community that we ha
On 1 March 2011 23:41, The Mono wrote:
> We think so little about our community that we have to hire someone to
> figure out how to explain it.
I expect your volunteer efforts were factored into the decision.
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jason donovan wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:52 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
> > David Gerard wrote:
> > > On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm curious how
> > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
> > >> fits in with Wikim
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:52 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> David Gerard wrote:
> > On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride wrote:
> >
> >> I'm curious how
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
> >> fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
> >
> > It's pretty much directl
From: MZMcBride
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 3:24:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia "Storyteller" job opening
Zack Exley wrote:
> But there is one important purpose of that job that may be a
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
> On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
>> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
>> reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
> Based on the one survey of former contributors that has been conducted
> (see
> http://
Did autocomplete change your sentence Fred? I don't follow and it doesn't seem
to relate to MZMcBride's new question about naming.
--
Dan Rosenthal
Sent from my iPhone. My apologies for any brevity.
On Mar 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, "Fred Bauder" wrote:
>> Is there something wrong with it
>> bei
On 1 March 2011 20:44, MZMcBride wrote:
> It's not really about my personal preferences (I originally asked how this
> job opening fits within Wikimedia's strategic plan or mission). You've
> chosen to side-step the actual questions being asked here (twice now). Based
> on my past discussions wit
> Is there something wrong with it
> being named the "Fundraising Department"? I can't imagine I'm the only
> one
> confused about this.
>
> MZMcBride
There is plenty wrong with messing with us. This is hardly the first
time. I doubt advancing the project is on your agenda.
Fred
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On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
> If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
> reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
Based on the one survey of former contributors that has been conducted
(see
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Former_Contributors_Survey
Zack Exley wrote:
> But there is one important purpose of that job that may be a bit hidden in
> between the lines: For this position, I'm looking for someone who can help
> free us from dependence on "The Jimmy Letter" in fundraising.
I think part of my confusion (maybe the biggest chunk of it) c
Zack Exley, 01/03/2011 21:08:
> And not just for the fundraiser. For the purposes of the fundraiser, we need
> this person to amass a mountain of creative material that we can remix, in
> collaboration with the original voices behind the material, and test during
> the fundraiser.
Is this person g
Le 01/03/2011 17:26, David Gerard a écrit :
> On 1 March 2011 20:22, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>> The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
>> mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
>> Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal. There is a v
On 1 March 2011 20:44, MZMcBride wrote:
> It's not really about my personal preferences (I originally asked how this
> job opening fits within Wikimedia's strategic plan or mission). You've
> chosen to side-step the actual questions being asked here (twice now). Based
> on my past discussions wit
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
> mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
> Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal. There is a very finite amount
> of resources for staff
David Gerard wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 20:22, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>> The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
>> mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
>> Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal. There is a very finite amount
>> of
On 1 March 2011 20:22, MZMcBride wrote:
> The part where adding this person leads to better content? Wikimedia's
> mission is to educate the world with free content. I'm not sure how a
> Propaganda Minister really furthers that goal. There is a very finite amount
> of resources for staff hires; I
David Gerard wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>> I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
>> fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
>
> It's pretty much directly answered right there on the linked page, for
> anyone else who'
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:44 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride wrote:
>
> > I'm curious how
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
> > fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
>
>
> It's pretty much directly answered right there on
On 3/1/2011 11:44 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride wrote:
>> I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
>> fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
> It's pretty much directly answered right there on the linked page, for
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm curious how
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
> fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
>
> MZMcBride
It's an effective marketing technique. Something to watch on YouTube that
doesn't trash us.
Fred
On 1 March 2011 19:35, MZMcBride wrote:
> I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
> fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
It's pretty much directly answered right there on the linked page, for
anyone else who's wondering.
What bit of the p
Hi.
I'm curious how http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Storyteller
fits in with Wikimedia's mission or its strategic plan.
MZMcBride
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