Even if the buyer loses the attribution information, I'd bet that, under the
first sale doctrine, they can resell the poster. (Just not copy and
redistribute.) Right?
On Feb 4, 2009 8:24 AM, "Chad" wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 a...
Agreed. I
Andre Engels wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Huib Laurens wrote:
>> I don't really think that would be enough.. I am not sure but the
>> poster and the license need to stay together.. If the attribution is
>> on a paper with the poster the license and author can get lost...
>
> There is
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Huib Laurens wrote:
> > I don't really think that would be enough.. I am not sure but the
> > poster and the license need to stay together.. If the attribution is
> > on a paper with the poster the license and
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Huib Laurens wrote:
> I don't really think that would be enough.. I am not sure but the
> poster and the license need to stay together.. If the attribution is
> on a paper with the poster the license and author can get lost...
There is nothing that says that the l
I don't really think that would be enough.. I am not sure but the
poster and the license need to stay together.. If the attribution is
on a paper with the poster the license and author can get lost...
Isn't it the same when a photo will be used in a newspaper but the
attribution will be send on a
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Bence Damokos wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Sam Johnston wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:43 PM, geni wrote:
>> > 2009/2/3 Gerard Meijssen :
>> >> Hoi,
>> >> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between
>> cheap
>>
Hoi,
It is a better mouse trap then the GFDL.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/4 Andre Engels
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > The Zwijntje picture is actually one that is rather special. I use it as
> an
> > avatar on many of my profiles. When people abuse t
I have a bit of another view on this attribution stuff..
There are people doing great work to get permission to use pictures..
We tell the people that the name from the photographer will stay with
the image because the license says so.. Most of the time the people
say just no.
When Wikimedia has
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> The Zwijntje picture is actually one that is rather special. I use it as an
> avatar on many of my profiles. When people abuse this picture, it may hurt
> me. There is another aspect as well, I am not arguing about attribution to
> t
Hoi,
The Zwijntje picture is actually one that is rather special. I use it as an
avatar on many of my profiles. When people abuse this picture, it may hurt
me. There is another aspect as well, I am not arguing about attribution to
the nth degree of foolishness. It is also very unlikely that I will
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> When you do not like the notion that in real life people want a clean
> print, you will find that your legalistic approach hardly survives the real
> world. There are people who like their jeans with labels. I remove them if I
> can. In a way you take the position of the
Sam Johnston wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap
>> and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is
>> two prints and that IS expensive. My point has
2009/2/3 Sam Johnston :
> I'm not aware of any print-on-demand providers who facilitate the
> sending of arbitrary documentation with prints so my ability to reuse
> is still unnecessarily restricted.
>
> Sam
That must make it rather hard to use the postal service.
--
geni
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Sam Johnston wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:43 PM, geni wrote:
> > 2009/2/3 Gerard Meijssen :
> >> Hoi,
> >> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between
> cheap
> >> and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on th
On 3 Feb 2009, at 21:59, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Your wish for attribution comes at a monetory cost so the
> difference is
> negligible. They want their reward for the creation for IP and so
> do you.
> Thanks,
>GerardmM
Huh? Where am I asking for money? Depending on the meth
Hoi,
Your wish for attribution comes at a monetory cost so the difference is
negligible. They want their reward for the creation for IP and so do you.
Thanks,
GerardmM
2009/2/3 Michael Peel
>
> On 3 Feb 2009, at 21:39, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > The change of the license will h
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:43 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/2/3 Gerard Meijssen :
>> Hoi,
>> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap
>> and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is
>> two prints and that IS expensive. My point has been an
On 3 Feb 2009, at 21:39, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> The change of the license will happen not only for Wikipedia but
> for all
> projects as I understand things.
The change of license can only apply to wiki-created GFDL works,
which does not apply to the images. They will remain with th
2009/2/3 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap
> and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is
> two prints and that IS expensive. My point has been and still is that it is
> nice to come up with "soluti
Hoi,
The change of the license will happen not only for Wikipedia but for all
projects as I understand things.
When you do not like the notion that in real life people want a clean
print, you will find that your legalistic approach hardly survives the real
world. There are people who like their j
On 3 Feb 2009, at 21:01, Sam Johnston wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> wrote:
>> Hoi,
>> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance
>> between cheap
>> and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on
>> the back is
>> two prints a
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap
> and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is
> two prints and that IS expensive. My point has been and still is that it is
>
Hoi,
The economics of it are such that there is a real fine balance between cheap
and expensive. I positvely hate text on my posters. Printing on the back is
two prints and that IS expensive. My point has been and still is that it is
nice to come up with "solutions". They have to be practical in th
On 2 Feb 2009, at 07:11, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>- When I TELL you that something spoils a picture for me, you
> can ignore
>this, or you accept this. When I have a framed picture I do not
> want the
>license printed with it, I do not want a list of authors. I want
> a clean
>
Hoi,
Two answers and a PS,
- first you do not have to actively discourage the narcissists from
contributing. But playing to their egocentric notions of copyright, notions
where the two licenses are largely the same is damaging to our objective.
The information needs to spread out, by h
I Wrote:
>>> I completely agree with your point, but I think you have grasped
>>> the wrong end of the stick. It is precisely the pride people feel
>>> about contributing and being acknowledged as contributing to
>>> our great charitable work, that is laying the golden eggs.
>>> Attribution is not
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Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Obviously I like it that my picture of a wild boar is used on a
> Russian website. They asked, nice. But I take more pride in KNOWING
> this than in having my name on their website.
This point brings to mind my early days on
Hoi,
So you are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. There is the license
and the uploader AND it may be PD. The cost of adding this is not calculated
as there is no functionality (as far as I know) that does it. When I print
at my copy shop, I get a prestine copy. Remeber these are typical
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> When I print a poster, and the license and the contributors have to be
> printed on it as well, the image of the picture is spoiled for me. This
> would be a reason for me to return the printed poster. So let us be
> practical, WHERE do you want to have all the information
Hoi,
I could not disagree more with you. People who work on Wikipedia do this
because they make a difference. This making a difference is what I think is
of paramount importance, what makes people proud of this endeavour. When
people use my pictures and my ,it makes a difference how they use it. Bu
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> I selected a great picture from Commons. I loaded it on my memory stick. I
> went to a copy shop and had it printed in poster format for little money. No
> fuss. I did not even need to bring it on a memory stick, I could have
> downloaded the picture at the copy shop
Hoi,
I selected a great picture from Commons. I loaded it on my memory stick. I
went to a copy shop and had it printed in poster format for little money. No
fuss. I did not even need to bring it on a memory stick, I could have
downloaded the picture at the copy shop. This is the real world. There i
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