Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 2 November 2011 21:41, Nathan wrote: > >> I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it. >> See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:55 PM, geni wrote: > 2011/11/3 David Richfield : >> A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich >> source of bad references.  We should rather be looking at ways to get >> references to books and journal articles.  Web references should be >> the

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011/11/3 David Richfield : > A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich > source of bad references.  We should rather be looking at ways to get > references to books and journal articles.  Web references should be > the exception rather than the rule, because the vast m

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

> This demands far too much of newbies. We can sometimes be very > cult-like in our demand for references and sources. Verifiability is central to Wikipedia, and it should not be otherwise. If we have editors who do not understand what a reliable source is, they need to be educated. If they don'

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 3 November 2011 10:47, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 11/03/11 2:49 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > On 3 November 2011 09:31, Ray Saintonge wrote: > >> Also can the expression "citation needed" be changed to something that > >> is more inviting to newbies, like "Please add citation"? > > We may be lat

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 11/03/11 2:49 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 November 2011 09:31, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> Also can the expression "citation needed" be changed to something that >> is more inviting to newbies, like "Please add citation"? > We may be late for that - "citation needed" is entering English. > > Be

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 11/02/11 2:11 PM, Nathan wrote: > A button or link that says "Add a reference?" that brings up a box > with several lines, labelled "URL" "Source" "Author" "Date". Click > "Ok" and the reference is inserted, no ref syntax or other ugly > interface necessary. > > Put it automatically at the end o

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

Tom's point on lag is an important consideration, I tend to use tools such as greasemonkey (see the wiki citation generator direct from Worldcat entries - - Google, The Guardian and others also available) and my local scripts using iMacro to scrape key in

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 11/02/11 11:27 PM, David Richfield wrote: > A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich > source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get > references to books and journal articles. Web references should be > the exception rather than the rule, b

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 21:41, Nathan wrote: > I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it. > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference > adding interface that shows up while editing (i.e., a

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 3 November 2011 09:31, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Also can the expression "citation needed" be changed to something that > is more inviting to newbies, like "Please add citation"? We may be late for that - "citation needed" is entering English. - d. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011/11/3 David Richfield : >> This should be kept in mind (particularly for bot design) when many new >> articles such as biographies are *incorrectly* tagged for speedy deletion >> or as unsourced when sources are present in the article, they just do not >> use the citation template or ref tag.

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > On 3 November 2011 09:26, John Vandenberg wrote: > >> We could create a zotero plugin which allows the ref to be added to >> the end of paragraph. >> >> We could go even further and integrate mediawiki and a zotero server >> so that Wikipedia ca

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 11/02/11 2:32 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 2 November 2011 21:28, Nathan wrote: >> To explain what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QUICKREF > YES. We need this horribly urgently. > > It should also pop up when someone clicks on a "[citation needed]" tag > - that's a blue link tha

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 3 November 2011 09:26, John Vandenberg wrote: > We could create a zotero plugin which allows the ref to be added to > the end of paragraph. > > We could go even further and integrate mediawiki and a zotero server > so that Wikipedia can use named refs throughout. > Oh yes please! :-) -Liam _

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:57 PM, David Richfield wrote: > [Suggestion to encourage other website to generate pastable citation code] > > I like it a lot!  How do we go about promoting this idea? I dont like it. Websites should provide citations as COinS, or another standardised format. Then tool

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

My guess about how to go about doing that would be to write up the documentation for how to use the relevant parts of the API for this specific purpose. I think it would not be possible to give a solution that worked for everyone because each external website would have a different database structu

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

> there is no requirement or policy for ref tags to be used in an article. If > a new user wishes to stick sources as plain text at the bottom of an > article, this is not actually a failure against the manual of style or our > verification policy. This may be true, but it is a policy that an indi

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

Hi, Making referencing easier on Wikipedia with optional tools is a good thing, but there is a parallel activity of educating old hands to be aware that there is no requirement or policy for ref tags to be used in an article. If a new user wishes to stick sources as plain text at the bottom of an

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

[Suggestion to encourage other website to generate pastable citation code] I like it a lot! How do we go about promoting this idea? David ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/l

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011/11/3 David Richfield > A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich > source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get > references to books and journal articles. Web references should be > the exception rather than the rule, because the vast m

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get references to books and journal articles. Web references should be the exception rather than the rule, because the vast majority of websites are not WP:RS.

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e, etc.. Just the essential ones. Have to be fast, instictive, and no-boring at all. _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:41:20 -0400 > From: nawr...@gmail.com > To: foundation-l@lists.wik

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

I expanded the WP:QUICKREF page to discuss available tools. While ProveIT (created by Georgia Tech) is a gadget that is available to all logged in users in Preferences -> Gadgets, it's not available to others, new users are unlikely to know about it, and it doesn't add prompts to add a reference in

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 2 November 2011 21:41, Nathan wrote: > I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it. > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference > adding interface that shows up while editing (i.e., afte

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference adding interface that shows up while editing (i.e., after you click "edit this page.") It's a gadget curre

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

On 2 November 2011 21:28, Nathan wrote: > To explain what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QUICKREF YES. We need this horribly urgently. It should also pop up when someone clicks on a "[citation needed]" tag - that's a blue link that looks like a direct invitation, after all. -

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

To explain what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QUICKREF On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Nathan wrote: > A button or link that says "Add a reference?" that brings up a box > with several lines, labelled "URL" "Source" "Author" "Date". Click > "Ok" and the reference is inserted, no

Re: [Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

A button or link that says "Add a reference?" that brings up a box with several lines, labelled "URL" "Source" "Author" "Date". Click "Ok" and the reference is inserted, no ref syntax or other ugly interface necessary. Put it automatically at the end of a paragraph or somewhere else, maybe even in

[Foundation-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wikipedia_is_a_mess_wikipedians_say_1_in_20_articl.php Now, we have a lot of work to do, it's obviously encyclopedic and it would be hard to get really wrong. What needs to be in place to make it possible to recruit newbies for the task of referencing things?