Just a quick follow-up on this thread. On the Wikimedia Foundation's Board
I currently serve as the Chair of the Audit Committee (
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Audit_committee). One of the Audit
Committee's duties is to ensure appropriate review of fraud, abuse, waste,
or other wrongdoing.
Perhaps in future (for say, Haifa) it would be an idea if any chapter-based
scholarships were put on hold until after the Foundation makes its choices?
That way the systems could mesh, with people who don't quite meet the
Foundation requirements/do but oh dear, we've already used up all our
scholar
Sara Crouse, 15/07/2010 17:24:
> For the moment, here are the selection criteria that were applied during
> the application review process:
>
> http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships#Applicant_Selection_Criteria
>
> These were originally on the Wikimania team planning wiki, and not
Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> I think that nobody doubts about it.
> Still, I know some people who were not granted the scholarship and
> didn't actually understand why (and don't complain about that).
> Can the Scholarships review committee share the chosen criteria?
> The review process can't be
Tomasz Ganicz, 15/07/2010 10:11:
> Just about the scholarship. As far as I know there were two
> scholarships - one provided by WMF and the one combined, provided by
> Polish and Russian chapters. The WMF scholarship committee was quite
> international, and at least what I heard from one Polish Wik
2010/7/15 Keegan Peterzell :
> Okay, this thread has intrigued me and I thought the answers would pan out
> and it seems to have gone in various directions, but it was initiated by
> Milos so I'll focus on what I perceive to be his problem: Corruption
> (through careerism, nepotism, political func
Okay, this thread has intrigued me and I thought the answers would pan out
and it seems to have gone in various directions, but it was initiated by
Milos so I'll focus on what I perceive to be his problem: Corruption
(through careerism, nepotism, political functions) and the have versus have
nots.
On 7/14/2010 12:28 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> The problem with behaviour that is not good / acceptable is that at some
> stage it will be recognised and it will kill off the people in a similar way
> as to Essjay. The best indication that such things can happen is the upset
> of our capable, co
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Cool Hand Luke
wrote:
> I just want hypothetical (or non-hypothetical) example of alarming chapter
> corruption. I'm having a hard time picturing what you're worried about.
> Something concerns you and I don't understand what it is. Please explain.
>From the dis
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Fortunately, it is not about wicked corporations, at least it is not
> in the narrow sense. We haven't come into that position. But, I can
> expect that it could be a problem in the future if we won't handle
> present issues properly. It is
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Cool Hand Luke
wrote:
> As a temporary resident of Chicago, I would like to think I have a vague
> understanding of corruption. Why on earth would it even be worthwhile to
> corruptly influence an independent volunteer boot-strap operation like a
> Wikimedia chapt
As a temporary resident of Chicago, I would like to think I have a vague
understanding of corruption. Why on earth would it even be worthwhile to
corruptly influence an independent volunteer boot-strap operation like a
Wikimedia chapter?
I mean, what the hell are you even talking about?
No one n
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
Sent: 14 Jul 2010 18:20
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
> Anyone? Looks like it applies only to employees.
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Whistleblower_
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Mike.lifeguard
wrote:
> On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, oliver keyes wrote:
>> Sue is the Executive Director of the fastest growing non-profit
>> foundation in the United States, a foundation which has just
The characterization of the Wikimedia Foundation as the "fastest
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On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, oliver keyes wrote:
> Sue is the Executive Director of the fastest growing non-profit
> foundation in the United States, a foundation which has just
> announced a doubling of its staff, trial direct expansion to two more
> nation
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
> Anyone? Looks like it applies only to employees.
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Whistleblower_Policy
> "entity with whom Wikimedia Foundation Inc has a business relationship"
> includes chapters?
>
I'm sure she was mentioning i
On 14 July 2010 23:54, Oliver Keyes wrote:
> To be honest, anyone "whistleblowing" from outside the organisation.. well,
> it's rather hard to be punished by the foundation employment-wise when you
> don't work for them.
Well, yes, that was my point.
_
To be honest, anyone "whistleblowing" from outside the organisation.. well,
it's rather hard to be punished by the foundation employment-wise when you
don't work for them.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 14 July 2010 23:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> > Sue Gardner,
On 14 July 2010 23:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Sue Gardner, 14/07/2010 18:33:
>
>> * Anyone who has information about malfeasance or misfeasance inside
>> Wikimedia should take a look at our Whistleblower Policy, which lays out
>> process for escalation to authorities. The policy is inten
Sue Gardner, 14/07/2010 18:33:
> * Anyone who has information about malfeasance or misfeasance inside
> Wikimedia should take a look at our Whistleblower Policy, which lays out
> process for escalation to authorities. The policy is intended to cover
> serious and actual problems (rather than f
Holy lord people just stop. If we have real issues we want to get back to
and address/talk about then by all means but this has just devolved into
sniping at each other which doesn't help a damn thing. I have a feeling a
good portion of that is because we've sort of come to a point with less to
tal
Err. Who's reply?
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> A question.. how does your reply help ?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 14 July 2010 21:11, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
>
> > Milos Rancic wrote:
> >
> > > [...]
> > > First of all, I am not able to talk about people
Hoi,
A question.. how does your reply help ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 14 July 2010 21:11, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
> Milos Rancic wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > First of all, I am not able to talk about people who complained me.
> > Second, if I become more precise about chapters, I would again expose
>
Sounds like it. If these people are so reliable and trustworthy, why exactly
haven't they contacted the Foundation?
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
> Milos Rancic wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > First of all, I am not able to talk about people who complained me.
> > Second, if I b
Milos Rancic wrote:
> [...]
> First of all, I am not able to talk about people who complained me.
> Second, if I become more precise about chapters, I would again expose
> my informants. Third, I am not able to talk publicly about particular
> chapters based on private talks because I don't have
Hoi,
The fact that a person that I am completely positive about can lose an
election means that nothing is a given. Our community is able and willing to
make choices. Choices that have a perfect gentleman being replaced by a
perfect lady.
As to Essjay, when it became clear that his credibility was
> Just look at it dispassionately. Wikimedia has how many chapters? And aims to
> have how many more? All self-organized, boot-strapped operations operating
> under different systems, in different cultures with varying tolerances for
> mixing self-interest with duty. The odds dictate that some
Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 7/14/10, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> From: Gerard Meijssen
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 10:27 AM
> Hoi,
> Thomas that is too easy. Even
dia.org
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:12:53
To:
Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
"Sue doesn't send out a monthly report" - Sue is the Executive Director of the
fastest growing non-profit foundation in the United Stat
That's true; sorry, I misunderstood your message. It would be helpful to
prevent claims that unspecified employees in unspecified chapters are being
corrupted in an unspecified way based on unspecified evidence from unspecified
sources :P
_
Hoi,
She started producing monthly reports. I know she feels strongly that it is
important to do so. She has in the past worked hard to fill in missing
reports. I would not be surprised that she will find the time to do so again
and I am not surprised that it is a lack of time that prevents them fr
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:12 PM, oliver keyes
wrote:
> You think she has the time for a monthly report?
>
I do, actually, because she does send them out. :-) Things have
gotten busy and they've gotten a little behind, but sending out
reports is definitely something she considers a priority and
"Sue doesn't send out a monthly report" - Sue is the Executive Director of the
fastest growing non-profit foundation in the United States, a foundation which
has just announced a doubling of its staff, trial direct expansion to two more
nations and the gradual relocation of server resources. Yo
On 14 July 2010 16:27, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Thomas that is too easy. Even when there is no corruption the notion
> that this idea lives among our people is upsetting. It is well worth it to
> be careful this in our communication. I will argue that we are not good at
> getting our m
On 14 July 2010 16:26, oliver keyes wrote:
>
> I agree with Tom that there isn't really much to discuss, although I support
> the idea of having chapters copy the foundation in to any legally required
> audits or yearly reports. Tom, you're more intimately involved; what is the
> situation with
ok... I dont see how these problems, if they exist, can ever relate to each
other, to cause you to treat them in one email post other than "OMG OMG
everything is breaking down". At the same time, I just dont understand what
you mean. I'll put some questions down, and hope you can treat them in
sepe
Hoi,
Thomas that is too easy. Even when there is no corruption the notion
that this idea lives among our people is upsetting. It is well worth it to
be careful this in our communication. I will argue that we are not good at
getting our message out. It could get more of a priority.
Regular rep
I agree with Tom that there isn't really much to discuss, although I support
the idea of having chapters copy the foundation in to any legally required
audits or yearly reports. Tom, you're more intimately involved; what is the
situation with chapters and their responsibilities to the foundatio
On 14 July 2010 16:13, Milos Rancic wrote:
> And I am completely fine with treating my points as unfounded.
Ok, then this discussion is over. There is no point us wasting our
time discussing unfounded accusations.
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:48 PM, oliver keyes
wrote:
> You claim that the Foundation is tied in with US business interests. Heard of
> "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? so far, I've seen
> none. If the two people you trust are inside say, the Foundation, surely they
> can d
You claim that the Foundation is tied in with US business interests. Heard of
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? so far, I've seen none.
If the two people you trust are inside say, the Foundation, surely they can do
something about it? If not, how is this any more than third
On 14 July 2010 15:17, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Just to make clear about which problems are, because I didn't
> structure text clearly. Problems are:
>
> 1. Corruption among two chapters.
> 2. US business interests influence WMF strategy.
> 3. Gap between those who are coming between poor and rich co
An audit of what exactly? You mean a financial audit of monies passing
through the hands of the WMF ?
That kind of audit?
Will
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To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 7:13 am
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Money
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Nathan wrote:
> within Wikimedia chapters. Perhaps these are common knowledge among
> subscribers to internal-l, but I don't miss many threads on this list
Actually, not. Internal-l is just a non-public (which doesn't mean
that it is a private one) fork of foundat
Just to make clear about which problems are, because I didn't
structure text clearly. Problems are:
1. Corruption among two chapters.
2. US business interests influence WMF strategy.
3. Gap between those who are coming between poor and rich countries.
4. All decisions of WMF, chapters and their bo
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 13 July 2010 23:30, Milos Rancic wrote:
>> I will talk without mentioning names, but I will try to be precise
>> enough. In other words, I don't want to talk about people and
>> organizations, but about problems. Taking care about problem
On 13 July 2010 23:30, Milos Rancic wrote:
> I will talk without mentioning names, but I will try to be precise
> enough. In other words, I don't want to talk about people and
> organizations, but about problems. Taking care about problems is much
> more important than making witch hunts.
Unfortu
I did like the general principle of the original statement that there should be
some formal interplay between the foundation and chapters. Where I come from,
charitable organisations are required to send a yearly report (or two, if a
charitable company). This contains financial information, aud
om: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:28:33 +0200
>> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
>>
>> Hoi,
>> Our community is not perfect. That is good. There are people who spend an
>> inordinate a
e done about it unless, as gerard
says, it hits the fan.
> From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:28:33 +0200
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption
>
> Hoi,
> Our community is not perfect. That
Hoi,
Our community is not perfect. That is good. There are people who spend an
inordinate amount of time on Wiki related subjects; I am one of them. There
are people who go to Wikimania, I have been to all of them. There are people
with a large amount of influence; when you heared Jimmy speak I am
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Besides having a great time on Wikimania, I've heard a number of
> complains which put a shadow on a really great event. At some point of
> time I was even a bit depressed.
>
> I was thinking a lot about should I raise this issue or not; and i
Besides having a great time on Wikimania, I've heard a number of
complains which put a shadow on a really great event. At some point of
time I was even a bit depressed.
I was thinking a lot about should I raise this issue or not; and if
yes, then how. After the first issue I thought not to talk ab
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