Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

If you guys want to invite Kohs back to the list, I'll be happy to unsubscribe myself. In case you've forgotten, at the same time he was blocked from the list, he was in the middle of trying to hire people to astroturf the internet[1] with absurd accusations about the Foundation (many of which

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Andre Engels wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:25 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Risker wrote: >> > I have a hard >> > time understanding why people think chapters are representative of the >> > community.  They're repres

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

rupted discussions about the Wikimedia Foundation, the purpose of the list. Fred > > -Original Message- > From: Fred Bauder > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2011 2:00 pm > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian > > >> &

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

From: Fred Bauder To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2011 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian > > > > Although he reneged on his offer to buy > > http://knol.google.com/k/bose-201-series-ii-direct-reflecting-bookshelf-speakers#

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

> > > > Although he reneged on his offer to buy > > http://knol.google.com/k/bose-201-series-ii-direct-reflecting-bookshelf-speakers# > The Speakers Which Almost Destroyed Knol > > I as well as others support welcoming Kohs back to this list by unbanning > him. > > I agree with the sentiment that t

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Although he reneged on his offer to buy http://knol.google.com/k/bose-201-series-ii-direct-reflecting-bookshelf-speakers# The Speakers Which Almost Destroyed Knol I as well as others support welcoming Kohs back to this list by unbanning him. I agree with the sentiment that the ban was over

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

I don't really feel it's appropriate or necessary to have another Kohs-related thread on this list (for a variety of reasons), but while there's one here and active, I'll post the following, at the request of Mr. Kohs: Kohs rightly asked, immediately prior to his being banned from this list,

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Fred Bauder wrote: >> As someone said previously, the mailing software truncates stuff >> after the >> word "From", if it begins a sentence, probably because it thinks >> that's part >> of the mail header. No conspiracy or cloak and dagger stuff, just a >> bug that probably ought to be looked at.

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

> As someone said previously, the mailing software truncates stuff after > the > word "From", if it begins a sentence, probably because it thinks that's > part > of the mail header. No conspiracy or cloak and dagger stuff, just a bug > that probably ought to be looked at. > > I'd take this opportu

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

etty bad. What, if anything, is he omitting from the story? Cheers, Craig Franklin On 24 July 2011 04:01, wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:17:50 +0200 From: Mike Dupont Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Message-I

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Huib Laurens wrote: > Don't think Austin has anything to do with this. While its strange > that a mail is gone. He doesn't. It's a known bug. It happened because the person started a line with the word "From".

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

I dont subscribe to mr kohs views, but I just reposted it for the record. mike On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Huib Laurens wrote: > Don't think Austin has anything to do with this. While its strange > that a mail is gone. > > But a list moderator nor administrator cant delete mails from the ar

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:25 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Risker wrote: > > I have a hard > > time understanding why people think chapters are representative of the > > community. They're representative of people who like to join chapters. > > I agree with

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Don't think Austin has anything to do with this. While its strange that a mail is gone. But a list moderator nor administrator cant delete mails from the archive. 2011/7/23, Mike Dupont : > It looks like my message here was truncated from the mailing list archive, > so I am reposting it. > http:

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

It looks like my message here was truncated from the mailing list archive, so I am reposting it. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061709.html Mr Kohs pointed this out here : http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34460 thanks, mike --- Original Tex

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:44 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Steven Walling wrote: >> Just a reminder: If you're interested in issues like what the Board is >> and who it answers to, you should definitely be in the Movement Roles >> IRC meeting tomorrow (1500 UTC in #wikimedia-roles, see the >> announcemen

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

nition of community)? > > > > > From: Guillaume Paumier > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 9:05:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian > > Hi, > > I don't want to go further of

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian Hi, I don't want to go further off-topic, but I'd like to make a small correction: Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 à 08:58 -0400, Marc Riddell a écrit : > Let's see what we've got here: > > A "Board" that appea

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Steven Walling wrote: > Just a reminder: If you're interested in issues like what the Board is > and who it answers to, you should definitely be in the Movement Roles > IRC meeting tomorrow (1500 UTC in #wikimedia-roles, see the > announcement on Foundation-l earlier). For Christ's sake, another c

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:22 AM, George Herbert wrote: > .. > I am unconvinced that we have an actual problem [with chapter seats], but it's > entirely appropriate and on topic for Foundation-L to discuss this. fwiw, here are the two amendments. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Byl

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Risker wrote: > I have a hard > time understanding why people think chapters are representative of the > community.  They're representative of people who like to join chapters. I agree with your premise here, however, chapter board members are elected by thei

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Risker wrote: > On 20 October 2010 16:47, Muhammad Yahia wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Risker wrote: >> >> > >> > The board defines both "community" and "chapter". I'm not sure that the >> > board does ultimately answer to the community; there's no

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On 20 October 2010 16:47, Muhammad Yahia wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Risker wrote: > > > > > The board defines both "community" and "chapter". I'm not sure that the > > board does ultimately answer to the community; there's nothing in the > > bylaws > > to indicate that. > > > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Steven Walling wrote: > Just a reminder: If you're interested in issues like what the Board is > and who it answers to, you should definitely be in the Movement Roles > IRC meeting tomorrow (1500 UTC in #wikimedia-roles, see the > announcement on Foundation-l earli

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Risker wrote: > > The board defines both "community" and "chapter". I'm not sure that the > board does ultimately answer to the community; there's nothing in the > bylaws > to indicate that. > > Section (G) states: Board Majority. A majority of the Board Trustee p

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Just a reminder: If you're interested in issues like what the Board is and who it answers to, you should definitely be in the Movement Roles IRC meeting tomorrow (1500 UTC in #wikimedia-roles, see the announcement on Foundation-l earlier). Steven Walling On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Anthony

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > If I thought that the community members were only there in an advisory role, > I would not have stood for election. Right, well, you should have paid more attention when the community was stripped of their membership in the WMF, then (see

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Muhammad Yahia wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> >> How so?  The community's vote for the board is only advisory. >> >> > Err, how come? it's pretty clear in the bylaws? Not really...there's subsection (A), which is pretty broad. And

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On 20 October 2010 15:59, Muhammad Yahia wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: > > > > > How so? The community's vote for the board is only advisory. > > > > > Err, how come? it's pretty clear in the bylaws? > > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_byla

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Hoi, If I thought that the community members were only there in an advisory role, I would not have stood for election. As to finances, "stashed away" suggests that you consider the financial reporting and the transparency not adequate. When you consider the expenditure on hardware, bandwidth and s

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: > > How so? The community's vote for the board is only advisory. > > Err, how come? it's pretty clear in the bylaws? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws#Section_1..09General_Powers.

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: > No. The Board is ultimately answerable to the community. How so? The community's vote for the board is only advisory. In the long run, the board is answerable to the donors. But even then, there are millions stashed away which could

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > You are very right, Virgilio. The body of work, of the Project, is quite > salvageable; as well as ultimately sustainable. But it is quite clear that > the present management doesn't have the slightest clue, nor apparently, the > vaguest inte

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

You are very right, Virgilio. The body of work, of the Project, is quite salvageable; as well as ultimately sustainable. But it is quite clear that the present management doesn't have the slightest clue, nor apparently, the vaguest interest in learning, how to work with people, beyond their own hub

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Marc, I agree with you. I would rephrase your statement as the present setup is not sustainable. You can only fool some of the people some of the time... There are many bells ringing, many whistles blowing, lots of lights going on and off. It is foolish not to give them a second thought and ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Mike, Very good. I subscribe to everything you wrote and I'll second any proposal you or anyone else makes in that direction. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado At 07:30 20-10-2010, you wrote: >Hello, > > From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some >interesting points to ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Greg has a long, unmitigated and unambiguous record of trolling, spamming, harassment, and abuse. Revoking his access to WMF resources in yet another instance was entirely correct and appropriate, although arguably it should have happened much sooner and more consistently. As Fred pointed out here

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Hi, I don't want to go further off-topic, but I'd like to make a small correction: Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 à 08:58 -0400, Marc Riddell a écrit : > Let's see what we've got here: > > A "Board" that appears answerable only to some god No. The Board is ultimately answerable to the community.

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > As I understand this Forum, it is for discussing all issues related to the > Foundation > that controls the Project we are all working on. The Community should be able > to > openly discuss all of the laundry that belongs to it - both clean

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

: >> From: Austin >> Hair To: Wikimedia Foundation >> Mailing List >> Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:35:07 PM Subject: >> Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian On >> Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nathan >> wrote: >

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Hello, >From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some interesting points to make, but I do see that he is jumping to conclusions and does seem to have a biased viewpoint. People want to make their own decisions and have enough information to do that. We don't want to have import

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian On >Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nathan > wrote: > If it pleases the >moderators, might we know on what basis Greg >was > banned and Peter indefinitely muzzled? >Greg Kohs was banned for the same reason that >he's bee

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

From: Austin Hair To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:35:07 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nathan wrote: > If it pleases the moderators, might we know on w

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Nathan wrote: > If it pleases the moderators, might we know on what basis Greg was > banned and Peter indefinitely muzzled? Greg Kohs was banned for the same reason that he's been on moderation for the better part of the past year—namely, that he was completely un

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On reflection, I guess I (I, not the Foundation), envision our public mailing lists as being for all who are involved and interested, casually or intensely, as well as for observers are simply monitoring our on-going discussions, and who may, from time to time, wish to comment or initiate topics.

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > This list is for people who support the project, not those who are > actively opposing it or criticizing in public forums in exaggerated ways. > Nothing constructive or helpful is likely to be added by thekohster Wow, I don't know. On the on

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

If it pleases the moderators, might we know on what basis Greg was banned and Peter indefinitely muzzled? Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Robert S. Horning wrote: > On 10/17/2010 11:01 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >> Fred Bauder wrote: >> >>> This list is for people who support the project, not those who are >>> actively opposing it or criticizing in public forums in exaggerated ways. >>> >> Please don't st

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

On 10/17/2010 11:01 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Fred Bauder wrote: > >> This list is for people who support the project, not those who are >> actively opposing it or criticizing in public forums in exaggerated ways. >> > Please don't stupidly spout off about the purpose of this list. Or if you

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

- Original Message From: Austin Hair To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 7:05:18 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian Hi guys, After extensive discussion among the list administrators, we've enacted, for the first time, a perm

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Fred Bauder wrote: > This list is for people who support the project, not those who are > actively opposing it or criticizing in public forums in exaggerated ways. Please don't stupidly spout off about the purpose of this list. Or if you insist on doing so, at least have the decency to be accurate

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

This list is for people who support the project, not those who are actively opposing it or criticizing in public forums in exaggerated ways. Nothing constructive or helpful is likely to be added by thekohster, and if Peter contributes something interesting and helpful it can be approved. Fred > H

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Hoi, I certainly welcome Mr Kohs absence from this list. His brinkmanship is well known, he is not welcome on two projects as well and he boasted recently that there are still projects open to him. Getting rid of a troll is imho beneficial to the atmosphere. Mr Damian uses hyperbole to the extend

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

--- On Mon, 18/10/10, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > I strongly disagree with both > decisions. > > Sincerely, > > Virgilio A. P. Machado > (Vapmachado) While I appreciate the situation the moderators are in, I'm afraid I disagree too -- in particular in Peter's case, whose contributions ge

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

on 10/17/10 8:05 PM, Austin Hair at adh...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > After extensive discussion among the list administrators, we've > enacted, for the first time, a permanent ban of a mailing list member. > Greg Kohs is no longer welcome to participate on Foundation-l. > > Peter Damian ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

I strongly disagree with both decisions. Sincerely, Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) At 01:05 18-10-2010, you wrote: >Hi guys, > >After extensive discussion among the list administrators, we've >enacted, for the first time, a permanent ban of a mailing list member. > Greg Kohs is no longer

[Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Hi guys, After extensive discussion among the list administrators, we've enacted, for the first time, a permanent ban of a mailing list member. Greg Kohs is no longer welcome to participate on Foundation-l. Peter Damian has also been moderated once again, and will remain on moderation for the in