On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Marc Riddell <michaeldavi...@comcast.net> wrote: > You are very right, Virgilio. The body of work, of the Project, is quite > salvageable; as well as ultimately sustainable. But it is quite clear that > the present management doesn't have the slightest clue, nor apparently, the > vaguest interest in learning, how to work with people, beyond their own > hubris-driven circle. That's where the change needs to begin if sustainable > is the goal.
I disagree; the project is internally very tolerant of criticism. It's not tolerant of abuse. Kohs is both a critic and abusive. His criticism includes disagreeing on commercial / paid editing, use for promotional purposes, and management style of the project; he has contrarian but discussion-worthy points there. They have been and will undoubtedly continue to be discussed. It also includes a contrarian internal audit approach, which I feel has been somewhat sensationalistic but at least indicated we had someone who was paying attention to details I for one don't have time to. I won't go into details on his abuse, other than to note that he got blocked and banned off the projects repeatedly and has been moderated and criticized for abusive behavior on the mailing lists repeatedly and over a multiyear period. There are internal critics, and will always and necessarily be external critics. To be an internal critic, one must both be interested in sticking around inside (Kohs was) and willing to abide by reasonable internal behavior standards. At the very least, Greg was pushing the envelope or borderline on the latter. If that behavior is a defining factor of your interaction with the community - and Greg was rarely able to suppress it for long - then at some point the community has a right to redraw the line of who's inside and who's outside. Greg can continue his critical functions and policy discussions just fine from an external position. I am sure he will. I encourage that, to the degree that contrarianness and having a critic willing to look at programs and budgets is useful. I always have read what he's written, on that basis. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
