Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Tgr
While I don't agree wit most of the criticisms (this is a survey after all, not a philosophy thesis; asking extremely precise questions is not the point), the --/++ questions do seem like a bad design choice. There should be at least clear indication whether an absoulte answer is expected (if I con

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > I don't regularly use Commons, but when I went to fill in the answer at > "Other" for why I don't use it the survey crashed. I got an error message after submitting the page with text in the 'other' field too. I thought it might be because

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/26 Robert Rohde : > If you want to measure people's perceptions, you use qualitative > judgment terms, e.g. "often", "regularly", "rarely". If you do that, you need to ask something like "How would describe the frequency of your Commons use?" rather than "How often do you use Commons?". It

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/10/26 Casey Brown : >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, teun spaans wrote: >>> Criticism: not exact. What is "regularly"? Once a day? Once a week? Once a >>> month? 5% of all wiki edits? 25% of all wikiedits? >> >> Sometimes it's good

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: > Hi Milos, > > Milos Rancic wrote: >  > >> * And the winner: What is my reason to participate? And there is no >> *my* reason, even Commons is the free content project? No reason to >> answer. > > The survey was designed specifically to a

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/26 Casey Brown : > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, teun spaans wrote: >> Criticism: not exact. What is "regularly"? Once a day? Once a week? Once a >> month? 5% of all wiki edits? 25% of all wikiedits? > > Sometimes it's good to keep it vague -- to get people's opinions on > their own act

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, teun spaans wrote: > Criticism: not exact. What is "regularly"? Once a day? Once a week? Once a > month? 5% of all wiki edits? 25% of all wikiedits? Sometimes it's good to keep it vague -- to get people's opinions on their own activity. Isn't the survey trying to

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread teun spaans
As an example, let's have a look at the first two questions: 1) Do you use Wikimedia Commons at all? Choose one of the following answers * Yes, regularly * Yes, sometimes * No Criticism: not exact. What is "regularly"? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month? 5% of all wiki edits? 25% o

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
Guillaume Paumier wrote: > One thing I realized, though, was that two questions had an ambiguous > wording: people wonder why they have to give reasons for not using > Commons, or not participating, despite the fact that they said they do. > These questions should read « what is the main reason

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread teun spaans
I regard Erik highly for his skills in analyzing data which is already present. I am completely confident he can do some thought provoking analysis. Unfortunately, the skills required for putting a good questionare together are different from those on analyzing the data. The remarks I have seen s

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Gregory Kohs
As I believe I have noted several times on this list and elsewhere in the Wikimediasphere, I'm a professional marketing research practitioner, with over 17 years of experience, currently at a Fortune 100 company, who has designed and executed upwards of 1,500 different survey questionnaires. I was

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/26 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > Assume - ass u me ... When you look at the presentation of the statistics, > when you consider the "score card" that were recently announced. I am happy > to agree with you that it does not say on Erik's user page on en.wp that he > had any formal statistics tr

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Assume - ass u me ... When you look at the presentation of the statistics, when you consider the "score card" that were recently announced. I am happy to agree with you that it does not say on Erik's user page on en.wp that he had any formal statistics training.. Erik for your information is D

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/26 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > Ehm, the statistics that we have are compiled by Erik Zachte.. qualifying > our staff and implicitly Erik as lacking the experience is a bit off. > It is not only the Commons project but also the Usability Initiative and the > Strategy project that will re

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Ehm, the statistics that we have are compiled by Erik Zachte.. qualifying our staff and implicitly Erik as lacking the experience is a bit off. It is not only the Commons project but also the Usability Initiative and the Strategy project that will rely largely on these numbers.. Having s

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Naoko Komura
Milos Rancic wrote: > When you make a dumb survey, answers will be dumb, as well as conclusions. > > I am really frustrated with that survey... I wanted to help with my > responses, but it seems that I am inside of unknown percentage of > Wikimedia Commons users and contributors which doesn't fit i

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/26 Guillaume Paumier : > Yes, we tested the survey, but with a smaller number of people, because > of the time constraints (the multimedia usability project really started > only 2 weeks ago, and the fundraising campaign is going to be the major > focus of sitenotices from next week to Janu

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: > Hi, > > Thomas Dalton wrote: >> 2009/10/26 Guillaume Paumier : >>> One thing I realized, though, was that two questions had an ambiguous >>> wording: people wonder why they have to give reasons for not using >>> Commons, or not participat

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/10/26 Guillaume Paumier : >> One thing I realized, though, was that two questions had an ambiguous >> wording: people wonder why they have to give reasons for not using >> Commons, or not participating, despite the fact that they said they do. >> These questions sho

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/10/26 Guillaume Paumier : > One thing I realized, though, was that two questions had an ambiguous > wording: people wonder why they have to give reasons for not using > Commons, or not participating, despite the fact that they said they do. > These questions should read « what is the main reas

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi Milos, Milos Rancic wrote: > > * And the winner: What is my reason to participate? And there is no > *my* reason, even Commons is the free content project? No reason to > answer. The survey was designed specifically to avoid general statements. As you very well state yourself, general statem

[Foundation-l] Dumb survey about Commons

2009-10-26 Thread Milos Rancic
When you make a dumb survey, answers will be dumb, as well as conclusions. I am really frustrated with that survey... I wanted to help with my responses, but it seems that I am inside of unknown percentage of Wikimedia Commons users and contributors which doesn't fit into the survey. So, let's st