Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread emijrp
2012/1/16 David Gerard > On 16 January 2012 20:21, emijrp wrote: > > > But I know what I have to do the next time I see a dangerous cultural > > situation that need help. I won't give a damn. > > > If you post about it in a manner that doesn't come across like an > abusive idiot, you may get fur

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 January 2012 20:21, emijrp wrote: > But I know what I have to do the next time I see a dangerous cultural > situation that need help. I won't give a damn. If you post about it in a manner that doesn't come across like an abusive idiot, you may get further. It's worth a try!! - d. _

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread emijrp
2012/1/16 David Gerard > On 16 January 2012 18:40, emijrp wrote: > > > If I write that post, I will post it on my blog. Making WMF work is not > my > > interest. My interest is to remark the biased behaviour of them and post > > some suggestions. > > > Handy hint for the future: this is voluntee

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 January 2012 18:40, emijrp wrote: > If I write that post, I will post it on my blog. Making WMF work is not my > interest. My interest is to remark the biased behaviour of them and post > some suggestions. Handy hint for the future: this is volunteer land. If you really want something to

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread emijrp
2012/1/16 David Gerard > On 16 January 2012 17:31, emijrp wrote: > > > WMF reply to this thread > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Field_cricket_Gryllus_pennsylvanicus.ogg > > Step 1 was not taken yet. > > > As I noted, you want it to happen, you would be the person to write the > post. > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 January 2012 17:31, emijrp wrote: > WMF reply to this thread > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Field_cricket_Gryllus_pennsylvanicus.ogg > Step 1 was not taken yet. As I noted, you want it to happen, you would be the person to write the post. - d. _

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-16 Thread emijrp
2012/1/7 emijrp > 2012/1/7 David Gerard > >> On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp wrote: >> >> > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 artifacts. >> > Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster. >> >> Yes, it is. So what's the game plan? >> >> > I'm not sure. If

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions > Shutting Down

2012-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:23, David Gerard wrote: > On 8 January 2012 09:09, Milos Rancic wrote: >> Structural help is not Wikimedia's task [yet]. There are a lot of >> other institutions which could give them money for daily operations or >> artifacts preservation and not require from them knowl

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions > Shutting Down

2012-01-08 Thread Strainu
2012/1/8 David Gerard : > > So it sounds like the first thing we (in this case, local Wikipedians) > should do is approach them and say "We don't have money, but is there > anything else we can positively help with? What's the programme?" It's not so simple - you might very well find that there is

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions > Shutting Down

2012-01-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 January 2012 09:09, Milos Rancic wrote: > Structural help is not Wikimedia's task [yet]. There are a lot of > other institutions which could give them money for daily operations or > artifacts preservation and not require from them knowledge liberation. > In other words, it's presently bette

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions > Shutting Down

2012-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 02:42, Craig Franklin wrote: > I might just be a crypto-American chauvinist (and really, that sort of > inflammatory message is completely unnecessary on this list), so I > apologise for any ignorance on the situation, but would Wikimedia > Serbia really be the best organisa

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread geni
On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp wrote: > I'm not implying that you are American. I'm just saying that you are an > ignorant chauvinist. Oh no nothing so nice I'm afraid. I'm a person who takes a genuinely internationalist view. > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 art

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions > Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Craig Franklin
> Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:25:33 +0400 > From: "Yaroslav M. Blanter" > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions >        Shutting Down > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List >         > Message-ID: > Content-Type: t

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread geni
On 7 January 2012 21:30, David Gerard wrote: > You realise that having raised it, you're the volunteer who gets to do > the coordination and heavy lifting ;-) > > Are there any nearby local Wikimedia chapters/groups or similar groups > (CC, librarians, etc) reading this who can help? Wikimedia Se

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 00:36, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Although the problem has not been solved, it appears that it has at least > been staved off: > http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9S3I7DO1.htm Obviously, cultural institutions are in bad situation and not just in Bosnia, but in the wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Kevin Gorman
Although the problem has not been solved, it appears that it has at least been staved off: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9S3I7DO1.htm Kevin Gorman User:Kgorman-UCB ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubs

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 January 2012 21:13, emijrp wrote: > I'm not sure. If the WMF goals are to collect/preserve/disseminate > educational content, they can start with the holdings in endangered > cultural institutions. It is not my work, but some suggestions, from low to > high involvement: > * blog post exposin

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 22:13:58 +0100, emijrp wrote: > 2012/1/7 David Gerard > >> On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp wrote: >> >> > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 >> > artifacts. >> > Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster. >> >> Yes, it is. So what's th

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread emijrp
2012/1/7 David Gerard > On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp wrote: > > > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 artifacts. > > Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster. > > Yes, it is. So what's the game plan? > > I'm not sure. If the WMF goals are to collect/pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread phoebe ayers
Thanks Kevin :) Yes, I am a professional librarian who follows such things (and listens to NPR!) and I somehow missed this story. I don't think it is a well known or reported on event. Thank you for bringing it to everyone's attention, it sounds like a tragedy. Following David, if anyone has sugges

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Kevin Gorman
The WMF isn't telepathic, at least to the best of my knowledge. Before you sent this did you have any reason to believe that the WMF was already aware of the situation and its significance? If not - this email chain probably would have been more likely to be productive if your first email was jus

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 January 2012 20:12, emijrp wrote: > The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina holds 400,000 artifacts. > Any National Cultural Institution closing is a disaster. Yes, it is. So what's the game plan? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list fou

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Ole Palnatoke Andersen
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM, emijrp wrote: ... > I'm not implying that you are American. I'm just saying that you are an > ignorant chauvinist. And there ends my subscription to Foundation-L. -- http://palnatoke.org * @palnatoke * +4522934588 ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread emijrp
2012/1/7 geni > On 7 January 2012 16:53, emijrp wrote: > > It is sure that LOC is in the top priorities for Americans, and the BNL > for > > Serbians, don't you think so? Thanks for showing your patent chauvinism. > > Never ever imply that I am American again. > I'm not implying that you are Am

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
I'm struggling to see *why* people are arguing over whose cultural institution is larger/more important than the other's. Surely the point, as Yaroslav suggests, is to see how the WMF might be able to get involved ? Alex 2012/1/7 Strainu > 2012/1/7 geni : > >> We can't say we care about all

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 January 2012 16:53, emijrp wrote: > It is sure that LOC is in the top priorities for Americans, and the BNL for > Serbians, don't you think so? Thanks for showing your patent chauvinism. > Funding disputes can be sorted out in the same fashion SOPA disputes, if > agents work to solve them an

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Strainu
2012/1/7 geni : >> We can't say we care about all human knowledge when we give priority to >> cases depending on our birthplace. > > Yes and I'm British. The reality is that museums and libraries close > all the time for various reasons. There isn't much we can do about it. > > The National and Uni

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Yes and I'm British. The reality is that museums and libraries close > all the time for various reasons. There isn't much we can do about it. > Well, just in this case a GLAM/GLAM-like initiative could help enormously, taking the museum expositions online. The problem is that AFAIR we do not ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread geni
On 7 January 2012 16:53, emijrp wrote: > It is sure that LOC is in the top priorities for Americans, and the BNL for > Serbians, don't you think so? Thanks for showing your patent chauvinism. Never ever imply that I am American again. > Funding disputes can be sorted out in the same fashion SOPA

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread emijrp
It is sure that LOC is in the top priorities for Americans, and the BNL for Serbians, don't you think so? Thanks for showing your patent chauvinism. Funding disputes can be sorted out in the same fashion SOPA disputes, if agents work to solve them and show interest. We can't say we care about all

Re: [Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread geni
On 7 January 2012 13:01, emijrp wrote: > Dear all; > > Bosnia's top cultural institutions[1] (National Museum, Historical Museum, > National Gallery) and the National Library which was burnt in 1992, are > closing their doors for funding disputes. > > This is a disaster for the spreading of human

[Foundation-l] Bosnia's Top Cultural Institutions Shutting Down

2012-01-07 Thread emijrp
Dear all; Bosnia's top cultural institutions[1] (National Museum, Historical Museum, National Gallery) and the National Library which was burnt in 1992, are closing their doors for funding disputes. This is a disaster for the spreading of human knowledge, and I don't see any blog post in the Wiki