Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-11 Thread Pharos
From: Pharos >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List >> Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 4:16:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees >> >> I believe that a "verified" account system for GLAMs specifically >> doin

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-11 Thread Ray Saintonge
John M. Sinclair wrote: > I'm new to this discussion, so I may be inserting at the wrong place and > time, but I want to suggest that Wikipedia's counsel determine whether > the Digital Millennium Copyright Act implicitly requires individual > accounts in order to maintain the Foundation's protecti

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-11 Thread Ray Saintonge
Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > The spirit of the one person per account policy was to prevent people from > disclaiming responsibility by claiming another person did it. That means little when we don't know the real names of the contributor. A pseudonym could be anyone with access to the family com

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-10 Thread Dan Rosenthal
al Message- > From: foundation-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org > [mailto:foundation-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey > Plourde > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:15 PM > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-10 Thread John M. Sinclair
ehalf Of Geoffrey Plourde Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:15 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees The spirit of the one person per account policy was to prevent people from disclaiming responsibility by claiming anot

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-09 Thread Liam Wyatt
d > provide the Foundation with the identities of the authorized users. > > > > > > From: Pharos > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 4:16:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don&

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-09 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
and provide the Foundation with the identities of the authorized users. From: Pharos To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 4:16:54 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees I believe t

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-09 Thread Pharos
I believe that a "verified" account system for GLAMs specifically doing encyclopedic work (not for businesses, etc) would not be too difficult to work out, and would be well worth any such effort. Such systems, though nothing is 100%, have worked quite well for many other websites. Thanks, Pharos

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When they are blocked like it happened with the Tropenmuseum, I will ask the person who did this to reconsider... There has to be a reason for a block and these organisations do what they do and they do it very well. The notion that a block on sight is always good is not reasonable. Thank

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-04 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I want to give you two different group / company accounts that I think are > valuable.. > > Tropenmuseum... If you do not know about it, read the Tropenmuseum article > on Commons > Calcey - a company from Sri Lanka has adopted the l

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I want to give you two different group / company accounts that I think are valuable.. Tropenmuseum... If you do not know about it, read the Tropenmuseum article on Commons Calcey - a company from Sri Lanka has adopted the localisation of the Sinhala language. We are really grateful for their

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Lodewijk wrote: >> This is enforced by a group of moderators by blocking the usernames >> who fulfill one of these conditions, and notifying them on their >> talkpage they can create a new username, but that t

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 18:20, Nathan wrote: > The idea of verified accounts raises all sorts of questions and > potential problems. The Wikimedia Foundation might be able to verify > that users requesting a "company account" are connected to that > company, if the account is on the English Wikiped

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, effe iets anders wrote: > could you perhaps point to that general WMF policy? Or do you mean you would > like to see such a policy, but there is none yet? Are you able to read the whole content or it is so much important to point bureaucratically to every mistake?

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Nathan
2009/12/3 Delphine Ménard : > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 18:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > I support Liam's idea and think we might want to look at a two-tier policy: > > 1- have "verified" accounts, which are used by some > companies/organisation to do "encyclopedic work" > 2- disallow using a co

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 18:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > What if someone registers an account 'Miscrosoft" and starts vandal > editing? The media reports like 'Miscosoft blocked for vandalism in > Wikipedia'" would be hardly better than 'Microsoft blocked on sight'. > > Concerning the joint acco

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
What if someone registers an account 'Miscrosoft" and starts vandal editing? The media reports like 'Miscosoft blocked for vandalism in Wikipedia'" would be hardly better than 'Microsoft blocked on sight'. Concerning the joint accounts I thought the main problem is that someone should be held resp

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Liam Wyatt
But perhaps what you are suggesting is something along the lines of a "verified account" (like in Twitter recently). Perhaps it wouldn't scale well, I'm not sure. This is probably digressing from the original subject but perhaps it might be an interesting technical solution for a question that many

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread effe iets anders
could you perhaps point to that general WMF policy? Or do you mean you would like to see such a policy, but there is none yet? Lodewijk 2009/12/3 Milos Rancic > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > Although I can understand that there are genuine reasons why the "anti > > org

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > Although I can understand that there are genuine reasons why the "anti > organisational account" rule is in place, can I mention that having an > organisational account is one of the main things that GLAM institutions have > asked from us. If a

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Liam Wyatt
Although I can understand that there are genuine reasons why the "anti organisational account" rule is in place, can I mention that having an organisational account is one of the main things that GLAM institutions have asked from us. If a museum wants to upload their own photographs to Commons (som

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Lodewijk wrote: > This is enforced by a group of moderators by blocking the usernames > who fulfill one of these conditions, and notifying them on their > talkpage they can create a new username, but that their current is > blocked indefinitely. I support policy t

[Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Lodewijk
Hi all, Although I do realize this is a Dutch Wikipedia-topic, I would like to get a somewhat broader set of input on this. I'll first sketch the situation a bit, and then explain what my interpretation is. On the Dutch Wikipedia, there are two related, relatively long standing, policies: * Usern