Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

On 03/20/11 7:13 AM, FT2 wrote: > That's a different possible category. Should people who do not have capacity > to vote as editors, but are paid-up members of a chapter, be able to vote in > that capacity? (Alternatively, are chapter members' voting rights and > involvement limited to the chapter

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Hi, grad to see Election Committee think what Wikimedia community is and can be so boldly and invite the rest of the community to join discussion. I'm looking forward seeing the coming election. It'll be great. 2011/3/20 Jon Harald Søby : > Hello, fellow Wikimedians. > > On behalf of the 2011 Boar

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2011/3/20 FT2 > Allowing votes based on donations is likely to send the wrong message, > however noble it might be. > > It really is too problematic - if the level is high then it allows "buying > votes" where lower level donors could not; if it is low then paid-for > voting > swamps the informed

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Oops. Wanted to comment that commits are essentially project edits - so treat them as such. Sent from my mobile device. On Mar 20, 2011 1:08 PM, "Stephanie Daugherty" wrote: > Sent from my mobile device. > On Mar 20, 2011 1:07 PM, "Aryeh Gregor" > wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Step

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Sent from my mobile device. On Mar 20, 2011 1:07 PM, "Aryeh Gregor" wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: >> Sorry if I was unclear, I meant that the development community is >> somewhat separate: people making modifications for non-Wikimedia >> installs, non-Wikimedia ex

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Hoi, How about the 622 people registered as MediaWiki localisers. They make the experience of the different language versions as good as it is. Thanks, GerardM http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_translators On 20 March 2011 17:32, Stephen Bain wrote: > 2011/3/21 Aryeh Gregor

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: > Sorry if I was unclear, I meant that the development community is > somewhat separate: people making modifications for non-Wikimedia > installs, non-Wikimedia extension devs, Wikia devs, etc. Not that I > know how many of them there are. I d

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2011/3/21 Aryeh Gregor : > > I don't know why you think MediaWiki is quasi-independent from other > Wikimedia endeavors. Sorry if I was unclear, I meant that the development community is somewhat separate: people making modifications for non-Wikimedia installs, non-Wikimedia extension devs, Wikia

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2011/3/20 Jon Harald Søby : > * Developers who are not server administrators, but who have made a certain > number of commits (what number is "sufficient"?) Some things to keep in mind: * Anyone can create an account to edit. Getting commit access by itself requires as much effort as a fairly la

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > 2011/3/20 Jon Harald Søby : >> Input can be posted here, on [[m:Talk:Board >> elections/2011]]or >> to the board elections list, >> board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org. We're looking for

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2011/3/20 Jon Harald Søby : > Input can be posted here, on [[m:Talk:Board > elections/2011]]or > to the board elections list, > board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org. We're looking forward to hearing your > thoughts on the matter! So, Jon pos

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Hello FT2, as members of a chapter, people already can decide about the consistence of the WMF board - at least, indirectly. I mean the general principle that someone pays and can vote, it's not so strange. But I concede that we would then have to ask ourselves how much money is equivalent to what

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

That's a different possible category. Should people who do not have capacity to vote as editors, but are paid-up members of a chapter, be able to vote in that capacity? (Alternatively, are chapter members' voting rights and involvement limited to the chapter if they haven't taken part in any wider

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e, it seems to me, between a "fee" and  > a "donation". I believe that FT 2 has explain it better than I. ;-) > > Marcos (aka Marctaltor) > > --- El dom, 20/3/11, Ziko van Dijk escribió: > > > De: Ziko van Dijk > Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 B

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, Ziko van Dijk escribió: De: Ziko van Dijk Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Fecha: domingo, 20 de marzo, 2011 14:28 2011/3/20 marcos : > I agree with FT2. Give right to vote to the donors looks like a bad id

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Andre Engels wrote: > Lowering the edit counts sounds good, it does however also have a > downside, in that it makes it easier to vote using sockpuppets or > meatpuppets. > > I agree with voices speaking out against giving voting rights based on > donations; I do

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In the sense of members as "participants", the world and our readers are ultimately our "members". If one considers "members" to be "those who tangibly contribute" then I would say Wikimedia is not a "members club". Its work is not done "by members for benefit of members". It exists on a voluntary

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Given our readership is random and a significant proportion of the global population, that seems quite appropriate. Not all readers will care but there will be enough who do and it's appropriate to give them a voice. (Also noteaworthy: we may also engage readers whom we otherwise don't reach as

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2011/3/20 marcos : > I agree with FT2. Give right to vote to the donors looks like a bad idea, for > several reasons, especially because it is not good for a charitable entity > that its donors have the possibility of deciding its future policy ... > Hm, it is actually very common that those who

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Lowering the edit counts sounds good, it does however also have a downside, in that it makes it easier to vote using sockpuppets or meatpuppets. I agree with voices speaking out against giving voting rights based on donations; I do also think giving people voting rights based only on being 'reader

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Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Fecha: domingo, 20 de marzo, 2011 12:11 Allowing votes based on donations is likely to send the wrong message, however noble it might be. It really is too problematic - if the lev

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > But, let's say $100 based on US nominal GDP PPP (let's say, according > to CIA Factbook, as it is giving the widest range of countries) and > adjusted for other countries' nominal GDP PPP would be, actually, a > positive sign. That would mea

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > > I don't think the point here is to increase voter turnout, > though—rather, it's to prevent people who do quite a lot of off-wiki > work to support Wikimedia, people who probably have more interest than > most in the composition of the Board

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:11, FT2 wrote: > Allowing votes based on donations is likely to send the wrong message, > however noble it might be. > > It really is too problematic - if the level is high then it allows "buying > votes" where lower level donors could not; if it is low then paid-for vot

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Harel Cain wrote: > Before we start extending the right to vote to ever wider groups of people, > we should ask ourselves how much this right is exercised by those already > entitled to it, and how many of those proposed to be granted the right to > vote are expec

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Harel Cain wrote: > > The last elections saw a participation of a few thousand of voters, just a > small proportion of all the people eligible to vote, I didn't vote last time. I ultimately didn't consider it worth my while researching the candidates and refreshi

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Relevance is a good point. I've always been a bit dubious about purely platform based voting, where you get "N" candidates and each says what they hope to do. It is common experience that once emplaced it's often difficult to deliver on promises. Wikimedia is built on radical grass-roots openness.

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Before we start extending the right to vote to ever wider groups of people, we should ask ourselves how much this right is exercised by those already entitled to it, and how many of those proposed to be granted the right to vote are expected to really make use of it. The last elections saw a parti

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

Allowing votes based on donations is likely to send the wrong message, however noble it might be. It really is too problematic - if the level is high then it allows "buying votes" where lower level donors could not; if it is low then paid-for voting swamps the informed users who may know the candi

[Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

Hello, fellow Wikimedians. On behalf of the 2011 Board Election Committee I would like to ask your input on the criteria for voters in the election. In the last election (2009), contributors needed to have at least 600 edits before the election began and 50 recent edits (within 6 months). However,