Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-04 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM, George Herbert > wrote: >> Has this been an observed issue within the WMF? > > In some areas. In my view, a well-functioning agile team is > self-organizing and self-managed, and it

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

2012-04-04 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Hi folks, > > as I mentioned in a response to Liam the other day, we've been working > on having org charts generated in a more automatic, scalable form. >... Thank you for that. On a meta-question that raises - there are a lot of direct repo

Re: [Foundation-l] sad news

2012-03-15 Thread George Herbert
Very sad, I met him and he seemed to be a very good guy. Seems to be a bad week; a friend of mine from college passed on Sunday morning. Focus on big things and have fun while you're here. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2012, at 19:42, phoebe ayers wrote: > Those of you

Re: [Foundation-l] Will Beback

2012-03-13 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 03/12/12 12:35 PM, George Herbert wrote: >> >> Without delving into the specifics here, or concluding either way as >> to the current case lacking actual evidence in front of me, it is a >> real and quite serio

Re: [Foundation-l] Will Beback

2012-03-12 Thread George Herbert
I would almost like to simply +1 here, but... Without delving into the specifics here, or concluding either way as to the current case lacking actual evidence in front of me, it is a real and quite serious problem if we don't hold senior and longtime editors to account for abuses they may perpetua

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-21 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > I should add a response on this point: > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM, George Herbert > wrote: > >> The post-facto probability of 1.0 that the researcher was in fact >> professional, credible, and by all accoun

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-21 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM, George Herbert > wrote: > >> If the answer to one is "yes", then "These things happen" is an >> explanation but not an excuse, and should be a prompt to help us al

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-21 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > Fred Bauder writes: > >> I think it probably seems to climate change deniers that excluding >> political opinions from science-based articles on global warming is a >> violation of neutral point of view, and of basic fairness. That is just >> o

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

2012-02-09 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > As said above...it is being moved ;p Where / on which lists were the location experiments discussed prior to implementation? Both with regards to the locations to be tested and to the pages to test on? -- -george william herbert george.her

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:02 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM, George Herbert > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 wrote: >>> It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 >>> January before any

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, FT2 wrote: > It's worth pointing out the discussion was open from 15 December to 16 > January before any close. No, there was informal discussion going back into December. "The discussion" - the concrete, date-attached specific policy and implementation proposals

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > Hi George, > > The push came about after the IRC office hours. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-01-12 After ongoing review of the IRC thread, on-wiki threads, mailing lists etc... I think the key fail

[Foundation-l] Discussion duration and the SOPA shutdown

2012-01-17 Thread George Herbert
I would normally start by floating this on wikien-L or on-wiki at the usual places, but the time for that has passed and thus I am going to drop this on the Foundation, who I believe are responsible for the particular problem here. On the English language Wikipedia, there has been a longstanding d

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia's secret wikis

2011-12-30 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Jan Kučera wrote: > I see following wikis hold secred information: > > http://internal.wikimedia.org > http://office.wikimedia.org > http://board.wikimedia.org > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can NOT freely share in > the sum of all knowledge.

Re: [Foundation-l] Loriot: Please read carefully what I wrote

2011-11-11 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Klaus Graf wrote: > This case has to be discussed IN THE PUBLIC. As > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philippe_%28WMF%29#File:DPAG_2011_55_Herren_im_Bad.jpg > > gives not sufficient reasons for the decisions and no sufficient > background there is N

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

2011-09-12 Thread George Herbert
I am seeing a lot of "lack of support from WMF for these smaller projects" but not being a smaller projects editor I don't know what specific issues there are. Can someone up on the situation send out more specifics? Thank you. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:13 PM, M. Williamson wrote: > It's worth

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, geni wrote: > On 12 August 2011 20:24, George Herbert wrote: >> We still have wide gaps in knowledge coverage.  Not in the most common >> areas, but in many specialized areas, where they're not heavily >> geek-populated. >> >

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

2011-08-12 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, geni wrote: > On 12 August 2011 13:47, David Gerard wrote: >> On 12 August 2011 13:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> >>> My point is that making it easy to fork does not create good competitors. >>> Good competitors come from elsewhere. And they will come, if we

Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us

2011-06-25 Thread George Herbert
Actually, Facebook's losing members this year, not gaining, in the US / North American market. Not that this is relevant to the WMF. The great thing about the web writ large is that everyone can participate in the things they chose to. Facebook's popularity is orthogonal to WMF participation / W

Re: [Foundation-l] Nominating Committee

2011-06-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Having had the honor of being one of the first outside appointed board >> member to the Wikimedia Board I do want to add that one of the main reasons >> for having appoi

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-22 Thread George Herbert
I would like to personally thank the WMF staff and board for having pursued this. Good luck. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Geoff Brigham wrote: > Yesterday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed an amicus > ("friends of the court") brief in Golan v. Holder, a case of great > import

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-04 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:00 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 4 June 2011 15:42, MZMcBride wrote: >> >>> I think it's a fairly dangerous precedent to have the Wikimedia Foundation >>> involved in making individual decisions about who can and can'

Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?

2011-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > >> On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Scott MacDonald wrote: >> >> > Imagine if poetlister now engages in identity theft and deception at >> > Wikiversity. >> >> How precisely does one engage i

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Neil Harris wrote: > On 03/06/11 00:44, Mark Wagner wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:11, Neil Harris  wrote: >>> Tape is -- still -- your friend here. Flip the write-protect after >>> writing, have two sets of off-site tapes, one copy of each in each of >>> two s

Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

2011-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: > The privacy policy does not preclude releasing private emails, and even > writes in specific exceptions. When raised on en.wiki in relation to > releasing CheckUser information (in that case linking an IP to an account) I > thought the respons

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae wrote: > >> In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and >> operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The >> emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is delayed due to an ongoing

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >(excellent long form work) Thank you, Milos. Very informative. Out of curiosity - I assume those are the "native speakers" counts for that language. Do we have "exclusive speakers" counts as well? I don't know for sure what the right answe

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > I am preparing document for Wikimania. Presently, I am in process of > analyzing data (SIL [1], Ethnologue [2], Wikimedia projects). I am using > Ethnologue data for population estimates. > > Before I started this task, I thought that the situ

Re: [Foundation-l] Stalking on Wikipedia

2011-05-21 Thread George Herbert
or K > > בתאריך 22/05/11 08:08, ציטוט George Herbert: > >> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Dror Kamir  wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I found an email today from someone who still cares to keep me updated >>> about what happens on the English Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Stalking on Wikipedia

2011-05-21 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Dror Kamir wrote: > Hello, > > I found an email today from someone who still cares to keep me updated > about what happens on the English Wikipedia's "corridors". Since my name > is mentioned in the discussion, he thought I'd be interested in this. > There is a use

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation too passive, wasting community talent

2011-04-05 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:22 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > David Gerard wrote: >> On 5 April 2011 03:02, MZMcBride wrote: >>> Another example might be an UploadWizard that is focused on >>> ensuring that Wikimedia fulfills its Multimedia grant requirements rather >>> than actually being fully developed a

Re: [Foundation-l] Dario Taraborelli joins Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-31 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Dear all, > > it is my pleasure to announce that Dario Taraborelli (User:DarTar) is > joining the Wikimedia Foundation as Senior Research Analyst, Strategy, > reporting to me. As of this week, Dario is based in San Francisco, > having relocate

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:45 PM, The Mono wrote: > The problem is simple. Our top contributors leave. Because the way things > work makes it simply intolerable. > > *25%* of all respondents [in a survey of contributors] said they stopped > contributing because > > *"Some editors made Wikipedia a d

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to community about community decline

2011-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > >> On 3/28/11 5:20 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >> > There's a theory that doing something like editing a free online >> > encyclopedia is a niche activity, with a finite amount of people wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation has been prosecution in HK / 維基媒體基金會在香港被起訴

2011-03-25 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I doubt there is any way the court in question can enforce its ruling, > which is probably why the WMF didn't bother responding. subscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l I am sort of curious as to what the substa

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-15 Thread George Herbert
#x27;re not opening it up to the world in general, which is a > matter of some concern to most of them. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, George Herbert > wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:18 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 A

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:18 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> 2011/3/15 SlimVirgin : >>> Speaking of the CREDO accounts, several people have asked that their >>> accounts be reassigned, but they don't know how to do it. Could Erik >>> advise? Se

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread George Herbert
This is getting kind of stuck on the specifics of BLPs being separated (or not). Can we step back and address the generic idea again. A restatement of the intended benefits and advantages of splitting the project would be appreciated. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com __

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Risker wrote: > On 14 March 2011 09:53, David Gerard wrote: >>[...] > > David, I strongly object to your continued twisting of my words, and your > personal crusade to turn the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee into a > "personal attacks" police force.  That

Re: [Foundation-l] Access to academic journals (was Re: Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser)

2011-03-08 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:32 PM, THURNER rupert wrote: > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 21:50, Juergen Fenn wrote: >> >> >> Am 08.03.11 21:36, schrieb Andrea Zanni: >> AFAIK, these publishers make the pricing upon the number of >>> scholars/researchers/students of a certain university/corporation: I

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-08 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > On 8 March 2011 00:23, church.of.emacs.ml wrote: >> >> >> Lead Architect for the next generation MediaWiki platform >> >> I'd really like to hear more about that. Did I miss something or is this >> a new project? :-) > I'm quite interested in wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the WMF spending its (our or our donors) money irrationally?

2011-03-04 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jon Davis wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 07:59, emijrp wrote: > >> What about hurricanes? ; ) >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Florida_hurricane_%28pre-1900%29_tracks.jpg >> >> > Maybe that's why the new Datacenter is being built in Virginia [1]?  The >

Re: [Foundation-l] Missing Wikipedians: An Essay

2011-02-18 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:00 PM, aude wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:17 PM, geni wrote: > >> On 18 February 2011 23:24, aude wrote: >> > Heather Ford, a former Wikimedia advisory board member and >> researcher/writer >> > in South Africa has written an essay, "The Missing Wikipedians" about

Re: [Foundation-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread George Herbert
Thank you for this. Will ops staff be monitoring wikitech-l for email reports of observed problems from those of us who are IRC-impaired? Is there an another preferred non-IRC channel for reports? Thanks. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In case you miss

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:51 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 28 January 2011 12:47, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: >> 2011/1/28 David Gerard : > >>> The idea of getting samizdat copies of Wikipedia into Egypt appeals. >>> Airlift in current-article dumps of ar:wp and en:wp on SD cards by the >>> thousand

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > Split permissions have been a perennial issue for en.wikipedia for a while. > It's proposed every couple months, has vocal support and a handful of even > more vocal opponents, and fillibustered into oblivion to resurface a few > months

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-18 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:48 PM, masti wrote: > >> why should tht be decided on foundation level? Do you think communities >> are so broken that they cannot make their own decisions? >> This would be the only reason to start discussing

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-17 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > 2011/1/16 Joseph Seddon >> >> I am going to be quite frank and say that it is pointless to have this >> discussion on this list. Only a fraction of the english wikipedia community >> are on it. If you are genuinely serious about this then

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for assistance

2011-01-05 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > Is this supposed to be funny? > > Time to address this matter to the list moderators. > > Sincerely, > > Virgilio A. P. Machado Neither of these was funny; both were backhanded insults to you. That said - I am not sure what role yo

Re: [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 28 December 2010 16:54, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > >> Not only is the current markup a barrier to participation, it's a barrier to >> development. As I argued on Wikien-l, starting over with a markup that can >> be syntacticly validated,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >[...] > The line between what is and is not acceptable or defensible. I find the vehement assumptions of bad faith in this thread disturbing. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ f

Re: [Foundation-l] Ring of Gyges

2010-11-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:26 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >> For added self-referentiality, you can't read this article unless you >> identify yourself to the NYT. >> > > I was able to read the article without registering - it's worth noting th

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
Ah, bueno. I was unaware of the Kartika version; excellent that the Foundation's already figured it out and was working on it. Thanks, Philippe and MzMcBride. Good job to whoever thought it up earlier and did the test run. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > We tested

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
Thanks, Sue. Obligatory current event tie-in - Could we get a more multi-ethnic "I am a Wikipedian" campaign going for the fundraising drive? As attractive looking as Jimmy is, the community isn't a million clones of him. Seeing more of the variety would certainly help attract attention, I thin

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Strainu wrote: > 2010/11/17  : >> Obama is exactly half-black and half-white. >> Funny how he is "African American" but of course he is equally "Caucasian >> American" > > Which shows only hot dangerous "political correctness" can get. I > wonder if in 2050, when t

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-26 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:38 PM, David Gerard wrote: > There's a place for applied engineer hubris[1]. With due caution. > > - d. > > [1] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/engineers%20and%20woo (grump) While generally true, there's a lack of regard there for engineering-oriented polymaths. -- -ge

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:54 PM, SlimVirgin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 14:19, George Herbert > wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:38 PM, SlimVirgin wrote: >>> We would not allow the people who make Coca Cola to be our sole >>> sources on whether it's

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:38 PM, SlimVirgin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 16:26, Fred Bauder wrote: >>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 15:59, Andreas Kolbe wrote: And where there is a body of scholarly research, the peer-reviewed scholarly literature is the most authoritative literature ar

Re: [Foundation-l] Paid editing, was Re: Ban and moderate

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Robert S. Horning wrote: > On 10/23/2010 03:42 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: >> >> If at any moment it can be stood on its head then the information >> contained in the articles can never be authoritative. Suppose I have a >> calculator that every once in

Re: [Foundation-l] Ban and moderate

2010-10-22 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > Has either of these persons, Greg or Peter, been destructive of the > substance of the Project: the body of the Encyclopedia? Yes, in my opinion. Both were banned from English language Wikipedia and (I believe) other projects, for content an

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-20 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Risker wrote: > On 20 October 2010 16:47, Muhammad Yahia wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Risker wrote: >> >> > >> > The board defines both "community" and "chapter". I'm not sure that the >> > board does ultimately answer to the community; there's no

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2010-10-20 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > You are very right, Virgilio. The body of work, of the Project, is quite > salvageable; as well as ultimately sustainable. But it is quite clear that > the present management doesn't have the slightest clue, nor apparently, the > vaguest inte

Re: [Foundation-l] Expertise and Wikipedia redux

2010-10-14 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Peter Damian wrote: >... > In summary, Wikipedia is hardly making a dent.  Where it is making a dent, > it is by cheapening the product.  No win all round. Broadening, not cheapening. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> >> You understood, I'm sure, that he was making an exaggerated comparison >> between the Chinese government's approach to public debate and >> Wikipedia's governance? He clearly believes that Liu Xiaobo has been >> mistreated (which he has be

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-05 Thread George Herbert
GerardM > > On 6 October 2010 04:11, George Herbert wrote: > >> NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and >> language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some >> very touchy real-world issues. >> >> The naming of mo.

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-05 Thread George Herbert
NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some very touchy real-world issues. The naming of mo.wikipedia and its use of Cyrillic were particularly unfortunate, as the Moldovan standard alphabet is Roman, the T

Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27

2010-09-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > > > --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Risker wrote: > >> From: Risker >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27 >> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" >> Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 5:22 PM >> On 28 Septem

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

2010-09-16 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Peter Damian wrote: > Risker >>In 2005, the English Wikipedia had less than half the number of > articles it has now. > > Hs anyone made a serious study of what these articles actually contain? Yes. But not across "all articles". Anyone can pick and chose subset

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia mirrors

2010-09-16 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:58 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > wrote: >> John Vandenberg, 16/09/2010 03:00: >>> English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Portugeuse, Swedish and >>> Chinese Wikipedia all appear to have some mirrors, but are any

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

2010-09-07 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Teofilo wrote: > 2010/9/7, Tim Starling : > >> Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to >> PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and >> mobile.wikipedia.org respectively. > > The absence of a history tab in the mob

Re: [Foundation-l] A proposal of partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Archive

2010-08-24 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Here's the Archive's on-demand service: > > http://archive-it.org > > That would be the most reliable way to set up the partnership emijrp > proposes.  And it's certainly a good idea.  Figuring out how to make > it work for almost all editors

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-02 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Cary Bass wrote: > It is with deep regret that I tell you I will be leaving the staff of > the Wikimedia Foundation at the end of December. > > I'm leaving the staff, but I will continue to be involved with the > Wikimedia movement as a volunteer, both as a contribu

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

2010-07-23 Thread George Herbert
Meta-question - Is there in fact sufficient evidence that this is a topic that the Foundation must, or should, engage in actively at this time? I know why the Foundation has an inclination to get involved - people ask about it, and some very uncomfortable stuff finds its way into Commons and the

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-16 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:26 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > There's been discussion of the gender gap among Wikimedia editors on > and off for many years now, and it's a focus of the strategic planning > process. This is a part of a larger issue of how to get members of > underrepresented groups to edi

Re: [Foundation-l] The High Priests of Wikipedia

2010-06-08 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Amory Meltzer wrote: > Good? > > "Though the Wikipedia has more than 12 million registered users, its > inner core consists of roughly 1,700 administrators who possess the > ability to reject edits, lock down pages from further editing, and > deem entire entries unw

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

2010-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, wrote: > Terrified. For that reason, I actually did not unveil my country-of-origin to > the Board until a few weeks ago. That is one of Canadians' special skills: we > can walk amongst Americans, and they are completely unaware :-) That's not true, many Americ

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Klaus Graf wrote: > For me there is no reason to believe that Mr. Godwin is a good lawyer. > > If he receives a formal (blah-blah) correct take-down-notice he will > take OFFICE ACTION. > > It was clearly un-lawful to take down the TU Munich logo which isn't > prote

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > Gerard writes: > > Hoi, >> When I read:  "Wikisource content in the French language targets the French >> public, and therefore, under French conflict of laws principles, the >> copyright law of France applies to this content." I do read the Fre

Re: [Foundation-l] Funny news from Poland

2010-05-13 Thread George Herbert
2010/5/13 geni : > 2010/5/13 Tomasz Ganicz : >> As you maybe now, after the sudden death of Lech Kaczynski (jn airjet >> crash in Smolens) we have now fast presidential election. One of the >> most serious candidates Bronisław Komorowski was cached with printed >> copy of Wikipedia article about >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-12 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: >[...] > However, I also see the issue from another frame that is not part of > Tim's spectrum.  Sexual photographs, especially those of easily > recognized people, have the potential to exploit or embarrass the > people in them.  I place a high

Re: [Foundation-l] "Filtering" ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 10 May 2010 22:32, Mike Godwin wrote: >> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM, David Levy wrote: > >>> > Can you point me to major media entities that have accepted the notion >>> that >>> > "Fox News was correct"? > >>> I'm referring to the c

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:31 PM, robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: Thomas Dalton > > > No, it won't. People have been saying that for years and the fact > remains that a screen full of a text with a few relevant images is a > much better way to conv

Re: [Foundation-l] Essay

2010-04-21 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Your email is a bit too black and white: There are important articles in > Humanities, not just in exact sciences, and a Bob Dylan album is arguably a > touch more important than a South Park episode. > > But in general you make an importa

Re: [Foundation-l] Chris Clayton

2010-04-19 Thread George Herbert
There's been an unusually aggressive set of these this spring; one of my accounts got hijacked for a week before I noticed it, and a friends' gmail account as well. Sigh. -george On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Cary Bass wrote: > Alex "Mr.Z-man" wrote: >> http://www  roulette-casino-en-ligne

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-31 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > George Herbert wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> And therefore if the Wikimedia logos are used with permission on >>> Wikimedia-hosted project

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: >[...] > And therefore if the Wikimedia logos are used with permission on > Wikimedia-hosted projects, the earth will crack open, and dogs and cats will > start living together openly. Please stop using this example. You're living in California

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > 2010/3/30 Delphine Ménard : >>> That is the website UI, which is not content.  They could say that the >>> UI should also be completely "free" of copyrighted works.  IMO that >>> would be going overboard. >> >> >> If that is the case, while I

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:03 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > George Herbert wrote: >> If this was the English Wikipedia, the response would be somewhere >> between "please do not be silly" and "Stop this or we will block you >> for disrupting Wikipedia to prove a poin

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: > Marcus Buck wrote: >> >> The Swedish Wikipedia decision is consequent and logical. Logos are >> copyrighted. Copyrighted material cannot be included. So no logos. It's >> plain and simple. The problem is not the reasonable decision of the Sw

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: > Hello, > > After a long and tiring discussion on the Swedish Wikipedia Village Pump ( > http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bybrunnen#Wikimedialoggor_i_artiklar), > the logos of the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been deemed "u

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread George Herbert
widespread support... On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, George Herbert > wrote: > >> >> There has been no organized or widespread attempt to either ask Jimmy >> to give it up or to take it away.  I can name a num

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's authority (on "global bans")

2010-03-25 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, geni wrote: > On 25 March 2010 02:51, Tim Starling wrote: >> Gregory Kohs wrote: >>> Point of clarification... does Jimmy Wales have the authority to >>> impose a "global ban" on a user? >> >> Yes, Jimmy has always had such rights, and he continues to enjoy broad

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-04 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: >> Dan Rosenthal wrote: >>> You've identified one of the criticisms of OCILLA/DMCA -- that it can be >>> easily abused by copyright holder to keep stuff offline. (This is what the >>> EFF is probably gettin

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedic OCD

2010-02-19 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Some books are very productive in that way, if you have time to add each > interesting fact to the encyclopedia. TV is a bit awkward to reference, > at least routinely. > > Fred > > >> Does anyone else suffer from this problem, whereby you lis

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009-12-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM, geni wrote: > The text of the advert: > "Craig of Craigslist urges you to support Wikipedia. Why?" > > In that context the separation between person and company is rather weak. The name "Craig Newmark" is web-searchable but many people not in the web industry won'

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-30 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, David Levy wrote: >> > The "hand in hand with children" wording seems to conflate physical >> > space with cyberspace. > >> How about "collaborating with children"? > > That's accurate, but I'm not quibbling over terminology.  As I > explained to George, my point i

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-30 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:28 AM, David Levy wrote: > The "hand in hand with children" wording seems to conflate physical > space with cyberspace.  Please see my relevant reply to George William > Herbert. There's a known and ancedotally (but not known to be statistically) significant trend of pe

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-29 Thread George Herbert
Without picking on anyone in particular, I urge everyone to go back and reread Brad's comment earlier. This conversation is following the path that public discussions on this have repeatedly before. It is not clear that anyone has raised any issues which are appropriate or necessary for the Found

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-28 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, David Levy wrote: > This is the risk that we run when we begin banning editors because we > dislike beliefs and behaviors unrelated to their participation in the > wikis.  We might avoid some negative attention that would accompany > their involvement, but what sor

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-28 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Jake Wartenberg wrote: > I am not talking about "pedophilia activism", but instances where the > individual in question is not disruptively editing. There are a wide variety of reasons to permanently block people who were elsewhere identified (more commonly, self-

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