Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-20 Thread David Goodman
The one thing experts in a field are not good at, is predicting the success of innovative material. If it were of predictable value, it wouldn't be revisionist. Experts can tell is something fits into the accepted paradigms; they can tell if something is so wrong with respect to soundly known facts

Re: [Foundation-l] EFE: Indigenous languages entering Wikipedia

2012-02-20 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
Hi Samuel and Gerard, thanks for your answer About UNESCO, we as WM-CL haven't been able to contact lately with the representative of UNESCO in the country. UNESCO was one of the promoters of the last Congress of the Chilean Indigenous Languages past November, but I didn't have the chance to meet

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 08 -- 20 February 2012

2012-02-20 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Special report: The plight of the new page patrollers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-02-20/Special_report News and notes: Fundraiser row continues, new director of engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-02-20/News_and_notes Discu

[Foundation-l] Reminder: IRC office hours with the localization team tomorrow

2012-02-20 Thread Steven Walling
Hi all! Just a quick reminder that you're invited to join the WMF localization team at 1800 UTC tomorrow. -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:46 AM Subject: IRC office hours with the localization team, on International Mother Language Day To:

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-20 Thread Delirium
On 2/20/12 10:39 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: As Mark has said, some subjects are highly vulnerable to recentism, but one shouldn't expect that with a historical article about events from 1886. I agree it's more of a problem in some areas than others, but I think it also often applies as a heuris

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-20 Thread Fred Bauder
I have initiated a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view#The_.27Undue_Weight.27_of_Truth_on_Wikipedia It is there that any refinement of the policy and how it is properly applied can possibly be resolved. I note that the article in question still does not

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 73

2012-02-20 Thread Mike Godwin
Fred Bauder writes: > We're talking past one another. It is obvious to me that the author of > the Chronicle article should have been able to add his research without > difficulty, at least after it was published. You're right, Fred. We actually were talking past each other, and primary blame for

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-20 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 02/19/12 7:31 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: Fred Bauder writes: I think it probably seems to climate change deniers that excluding political opinions from science-based articles on global warming is a violation of neutral point of view, and of basic fairness. That is just one example, but there are

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-20 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 02/19/12 12:04 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Mike Christie wrote: Perhaps the policies can be improved, but they are written to stop bad editing rather than to encourage good editing. I don't think that can be changed. It's impossible to legislate good judgement,