Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 00:53, Ting Chen wrote: > Hello Sarah, > > I would put it somehow differently. If Virgin Ventures has a tool with > which a newbie (or also an oldbie) can in a very intuitive way construct > a well formatted article from the scrap, so something like that magic > editor we h

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

Oh certainly, Jussi-Ville, I think it would be the noble thing to do. In theory. When it comes to practice, I'm not so sure. Uncyclopedia's model happened to work out and it got passed along. But that was six years ago. In 2010 (almost 2011), what is the impact aside from Doing the Right Thing

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > > > We did that with Uncyclopedia.  Wikimedia hosted it until Wikia was formed. >  And we're talking Uncyclopedia here.  It's satirical value had...value. >  Not quite as funny anymore. > > I would prefer CZ to use Wikia, which I don't t

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 November 2010 08:12, FT2 wrote: > > > My only concern is on precedent - is this a good one (we help others in > the > > free knowledge/education world) or a bad one (our bandwidth is open to be > > used by any forum or website with a s

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 19:30, Anthony wrote: > Oh, well what's the point of that?  Might as well just give them > money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from > someone else anyway. The point of offering services rather than money is that we can control the costs. > "Geni" men

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: > >> These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF >> should even consider getting involved.  To cover itself legally it >> should have the agreement of Larry Sanger, the Tides C

[Foundation-l] I believe I need some serious help

Of that kind too, but this is not the right place. :-) There is an almost systematic interference by «Yanguas», a wiki.pt administrator, with the user pages of the students listed on these two pages (further details available): http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Vapmachado/Log%C3%ADstica

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > So we giving another $1300 to Milton Beychok quickly, wrapped in > sufficient legalese that we know it goes towards the hosting. > Then he and others can sleep easy, and focus on more important things. I'd say for the WMF to do so, without

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:05 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> WMF are running a huge fundraising appeal now.  We can easily spare >> $2100 in order to pay for their current hosting arrangements for the >> next three months, which should give them suf

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:05 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > WMF are running a huge fundraising appeal now.  We can easily spare > $2100 in order to pay for their current hosting arrangements for the > next three months, which should give them sufficient time to get > themselves back on their feet ag

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:06:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: > WMF are running a huge fundraising appeal now. We can easily spare > $2100 in order to pay for their current hosting arrangements for the > next three months, which should give them sufficient time to get

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Anirudh Bhati wrote: >>> On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: >>> > >> >> Oh, well what's the point of that?  Might as well just give them >> money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from >> someone else anyway. >> >> "Geni" mentioned "of

Re: [Foundation-l] And if I don't understand Dutch?

Thanks for the quick reply. :-) Le 12 novembre 2010 21:17, Frédéric Schütz a écrit : > Bank check ? This is not a bank check. What is suggested is that people > should make an online donation using ebanking. > > Now, for the record, this was a specific request from the Swiss chapter. > Last year

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

geni writes: > We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a > period of 1 (one) year... After one year the citizendium community/Editorial > Council is expected to have sorted themselves out Sage writes: > I'm one ocean late to this conversation, but I'll give a big +1 offe

Re: [Foundation-l] And if I don't understand Dutch?

On 12.11.2010 20:53, Rodan Bury wrote: > There are several similar problems with other local landing pages. For > example, As you may see at this donation page for readers in > Switzerland

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

I suggest that we look for ways to help them. That is not necessarily by doing their hosting, although i don' t oppose to it. There are other ways to help them, for example by using our network to find other and cheaper hosting providers, helping them to find some friendly organization that want

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote: >>> On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: >> Oh, well what's the point of that?  Might as well just give them >> money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from >> someone else anyway. >> >> "Geni" mentioned "offering a

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

>> On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: >> > > Oh, well what's the point of that?  Might as well just give them > money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from > someone else anyway. > > "Geni" mentioned "offering a level of support equivalent to our > smaller projects",

Re: [Foundation-l] And if I don't understand Dutch?

This is a serious issue, that is not specific to the Dutch landing page. It's great to have local chapters participate in the Fundraiser. But they have to follow a few guidelines in order to provide a usable and efficient donation page. There are several similar problems with other local landing p

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:05 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: > >> These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF >> should even consider getting involved.  To cover itself legally it >> should have the agreement of Larry Sanger, the Tides Ce

Re: [Foundation-l] And if I don't understand Dutch?

Hi Ziko, Each chapter builds their own landing pages, but they have the ability to build them in as many languages as they'd like. In this case, it looks like the Dutch didn't build a German language landing page, and so it defaulted to their dutch language one. :) pb On Nov 12, 2010, at

[Foundation-l] And if I don't understand Dutch?

Hello, Just a minute ago I saw the fundraiser sitenotice of this year. A friendly, yet not too friendly, looking Jimmy Wales - much better than the word heavy notices from last year. I am a German living in the Netherlands, my browser is germanized, and I was on the de.wp and clicked on that messa

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: > These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF > should even consider getting involved.  To cover itself legally it > should have the agreement of Larry Sanger, the Tides Center, and at > least a majority of the Management Counsel >

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wrote: > These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF > should even consider getting involved.  To cover itself legally it > should have the agreement of Larry Sanger, the Tides Center, and at > least a majority of the Management Counsel >

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 18:11, Chad wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:56 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> Their current problem is that they have never had to think about this >> stuff, ever, and suddenly find themselves with no support and >> desperately gathering cash to pay their ridiculously overpric

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

> I'd love for the LaTeX export to be made available as open source as > well. Heiko and I have talked a few times about this -- obviously it's > understandable why they prefer to at least keep some "secret sauce". > Policy-wise, what's key to us is that everything running on the WMF > side is open

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 18:11, Chad wrote: > There is no reason that site shouldn't run on a moderately > priced VPS. I'm talking in the $100/mo range, or less, even. In theory yes. In practice there are organizational issues. The point of offering temporary hosting is that it allows them to come up

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 17:37, Marcus Buck wrote: > An'n 12.11.2010 08:56, hett geni schreven: >> Should we offer to host citizendium? > Headlines of tomorrow: "Wikipedia buys out competitor. Chucked-out > Editor-in-Chief Larry Sanger says: They try to defend their de-facto > information monopoly befo

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:56 AM, David Gerard wrote: > Their current problem is that they have never had to think about this > stuff, ever, and suddenly find themselves with no support and > desperately gathering cash to pay their ridiculously overpriced > hosting ($700/mo). > There is no reason

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010/11/12 Joe Corneli : > I'm just saying the reason to kvetch about Pediapress is not that they > produce books or that they are a company that makes money.  The more > serious complaint is that they are presently have monopoly status, and > that this monopoly is mostly made possible because ther

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marcus Buck wrote: > If Wikimedians want to rescue them: donate money to them. "DN-PHP-6004: This organization's DonateNow service has been temporarily disabled. Please contact this organization for other donation options." (https://secure.groundspring.org/dn/ind

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

> Wikimedia policy is to use only free software, at least on the > "customer-facing" side. That includes the PDF-generation process, > which runs on our servers AFAIK. > > Requiring this from sites we (in essence) link to seems excessive. We > link to Google Maps via an intermediate page, similar t

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

An'n 12.11.2010 08:56, hett geni schreven: > Should we offer to host citizendium? Headlines of tomorrow: "Wikipedia buys out competitor. Chucked-out Editor-in-Chief Larry Sanger says: They try to defend their de-facto information monopoly before their challengers become too strong". Or something

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 November 2010 14:57, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > >> I just cannot imagine that Larry Sanger could bear to see his beloved >> Citizendium on a Wikimedia server, among all that child pornography he >> is supposing there. > > It's not his any

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010/11/12 John Vandenberg : > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: >> 2010/11/12 John Vandenberg : >>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen >>> wrote: Hoi, Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the Wikimedia movement makes se

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Joe Corneli wrote: > What people seem to have been stepping around in this thread so far is > the fact that Pediapress's software chain includes some components > that they have NOT released as open source.  There seems to be ongoing > confusion about this.  If the

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:47 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > I also don't understand who would want a printed copy of a Wikipedia > article. It seems antithetical to the point of the Internet and the creation > of an online encyclopedia. The last time I used the Special:Book extension was not on Wikiped

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:13:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > jay...@gmail.com writes: > > >> I agree with everything except whether or not they are in line with >> our basic values.  They may not align with Wikipedia's values, but as >> a separate p

Re: [Foundation-l] What can we do? (was: Copyright terms, again)

On 11 November 2010 19:25, Milos Rancic wrote: > In relation to the intersection, I suppose that the most of Europe > switched from 50 to 70 years after author's death during the end of > 1990s or beginning of 2000s. It creates a gap between a couple and > almost 10 years for works which are free

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:56 AM, geni wrote: > Should we offer to host citizendium? Nah, let them go to Wikia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

In a message dated 11/12/2010 2:13:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: > I agree with everything except whether or not they are in line with > our basic values. They may not align with Wikipedia's values, but as > a separate project they dont need to be; instead they need to f

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

Point her to this thread? If it isn't needed this time it may be salient not too far in future for other things. FT2 On 11/12/10, David Gerard wrote: > Probably we should ask Danese first, she'd have to make sure we had > the techs and resources on hand for the hosting!

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 14:57, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > I just cannot imagine that Larry Sanger could bear to see his beloved > Citizendium on a Wikimedia server, among all that child pornography he > is supposing there. It's not his any more. (Part of their problem is that he micromanaged it so clos

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

Hello, I just cannot imagine that Larry Sanger could bear to see his beloved Citizendium on a Wikimedia server, among all that child pornography he is supposing there. Kind regards Ziko 2010/11/12 David Gerard : > On 12 November 2010 12:27, FT2 wrote: > >> Some prime time coverage of WMF CEO:

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 12:27, FT2 wrote: > Some prime time coverage of WMF CEO: "As one of the worlds largest > volunteer educational charity movements in human numbers, we have > begun supporting other compatible movements in order to ensure a > healthy provision of many different sources of free i

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

What people seem to have been stepping around in this thread so far is the fact that Pediapress's software chain includes some components that they have NOT released as open source. There seems to be ongoing confusion about this. If there was an open source toolchain for doing what Pediapress cur

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

In business I have found that the most successful companies are those that reach out, build relationships with, and where possible help others that are compatible. So this makes very strong sense to me. The main thing would be making sure it is clear in the media that we do so as an educational ch

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

> Should we offer to host citizendium? > Sure, and not on a temporary basis either. Just don't put Larry back in charge... Of us, that is. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/11/2010 07:40, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni wrote: >> >>> We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a >>> period of 1 (one) year offering

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

Hi all; *In the case that Citizendium is going to close*, that I'm not sure yet, I think that we have two debates. 1) Offering hosting to Citizendium 2) Preserving the articles and images. About the first question. I doubt WMF is going to offer hosting to Citizendium. When Wikipedia passed Nupedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni wrote: > >> We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a >> period of 1 (one) year offering a level of support equivalent to our >> smaller projects. After one year the citizendium commun

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > 2010/11/12 John Vandenberg : >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen >> wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the >>> Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is th

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010/11/12 John Vandenberg : > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: >> Hoi, >> Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the >> Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is that they >> explicitly distance themselves from many of the bas

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 10:13, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > I would even like the idea of us helping > encyclopaedia Brittanica in a similar way > Thanks, > GerardM > > Brittanica may or may not be in need of some help, I don't know. But the Norwegian equivalent "Store Norske Leksikon" is definitel

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:37 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Liam Wyatt wrote: >> I suspect that the issue lies not with the fact that you are only a couple >> of clicks away from the PediaPress bookprinting service from every Wikipedia >> article, but more the fact that the PediaPress system is the *only

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the > Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is that they > explicitly distance themselves from many of the basic corner stones of what > has made W

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

Hoi, Providing help to an organisation that can be considered part of the Wikimedia movement makes sense. The issue with Citizendium is that they explicitly distance themselves from many of the basic corner stones of what has made Wikipedia what it is. Citizendium does not add anything to our own

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 08:12, FT2 wrote: > My only concern is on precedent - is this a good one (we help others in the > free knowledge/education world) or a bad one (our bandwidth is open to be > used by any forum or website with a story to tell). Would perception and > reporting in the media that

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm forwarding this message from "Cyrano". - On 12/11/2010 02:06, Erik Moeller wrote: > > A bit of general background: > > > > The Collection/"Book creator" feature allows managing, organizing and > > exporting content in PDF and

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni wrote: > We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a > period of 1 (one) year offering a level of support equivalent to our > smaller projects. After one year the citizendium community/Editorial > Council is expected to have sorted themselve

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

Would not opposed or see this as a drama issue. After all it doesn't involve editorial involvement or conflict of interests, it would be clear (and clear to anyone in public) that no editorial influence would be implicated. My only concern is on precedent - is this a good one (we help others in th

Re: [Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

Yes, sure, but a lot of smaller villages and towns in many countries do not have well-established English names. Besides, what constitutes the "English name" is a matter of debate - according to law, the official name of Kolkata in English is "Kolkata"... but then, couldn't Germany pass a law sayin