Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

> We will in fact be offering day trips on the last day of the > conference (August 7th). More information on our conference website. > Baqa or Nazlat 'Isa don't really make for interesting enough tourist > trips to warrant an organized tour to. I would suggest, as another > possibility in the Wes

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Tim, I don't know how this has any direct bearing on the conference. The conditions in the West Bank are not what anyone would wish them to be, including, of course, us. I could try to argue here that still, the average income there is higher than in most Arab countries and so on, but this is real

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Harel Cain wrote: > In Haifa and elsewhere in Israel, Arabs and Jews get along on a daily > basis just fine, daily reality is stronger than everything. They meet > at universities and workplaces and have friendly relationships - a > natural matter, really. > > Pe

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

In Haifa and elsewhere in Israel, Arabs and Jews get along on a daily basis just fine, daily reality is stronger than everything. They meet at universities and workplaces and have friendly relationships - a natural matter, really. People, the Middle East is more complex and multifaceted than BBC l

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Osama Khalid wrote: > > My opinion is simple. Israel is not a good place to have such an > > international event as Wikimania. I wouldn't vote for Israel, Saudi > > Arabia, Iran, UAE and other countries that are ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Osama Khalid wrote: > My opinion is simple. Israel is not a good place to have such an > international event as Wikimania. I wouldn't vote for Israel, Saudi > Arabia, Iran, UAE and other countries that are hard for many people to > get into. Having such a conversat

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Mathias Schindler, 11/08/2010 23:39: >> a) is there anyone who wishes to participate but can't? >> b) how do we find him/her in time to remove any obstacle as far as >> humanly possible? > > A centralnotice to ar wikis and other wikis

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On 12/08/10 01:09, Harel Cain wrote: > If someone > doesn't want to come to Israel, well, then, we can only express our regret > at his choice (which we think is misinformed). I wish they could all come > here and change their minds about Israeli reality. I'd like to think I have an open mind, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

My opinion is simple. Israel is not a good place to have such an international event as Wikimania. I wouldn't vote for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE and other countries that are hard for many people to get into. Having such a conversation isn't the point of Wikimania. The fact that a team is amaz

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Mathias Schindler, 11/08/2010 23:39: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy > wrote: > >>> This is very constructive Mathias, however I prefer if we eliminate any >>> judgmental tone towards governments or societies or persons. > > Agreed, we can leave that up to someone else. S

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

David Gerard wrote: > On 11 August 2010 19:27, wrote: > >> One has to decide where one stands on such issues, does one not? > > > I suggest ignoring the troll henceforth - this poster has only ever > joined threads on this list in order to try to derail them. > > Ticket booked? Now if I wer

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy wrote: >> This is very constructive Mathias, however I prefer if we eliminate any >> judgmental tone towards governments or societies or persons. Agreed, we can leave that up to someone else. So back to the issue: a) is there anyone who wishe

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On 8/12/10, Mathias Schindler wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: >> Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country >> X, from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the >> Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on a

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On 11 August 2010 19:27, wrote: > One has to decide where one stands on such issues, does one not? I suggest ignoring the troll henceforth - this poster has only ever joined threads on this list in order to try to derail them. - d. ___ foundation-

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X, > from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the > Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper.  Since the country > where

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Birgitte SB wrote: > > --- On Wed, 8/11/10, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk > wrote: > >> OH I was just pointing out that there is an academic >> boycott of Israel, of course one is at liberty to break or not >> participate in such, just like those who turned up at Sun City. >> http://en.wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

As explained on http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Visas, there are various ways to attain a visa entry to Israel even if you live in a country with no Israeli embassies. Further to that, there are actually a lot of prominent countries from which no visa is needed to enter Israel: http://wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On 11 August 2010 19:54, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X, > from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the > Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper.  Since the country > where he work

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:54:00 +, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country > X, from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the > Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper. Since the > country wher

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

--- On Wed, 8/11/10, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > From: wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011 > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:27 PM > Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > >> Isn't there suppos

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Yaroslav: X has no problem with Israel, there's even an embassy in country X, from which he applied the visa, but since he is on a work permit in the Middle east, the embassy sticks the visa on another paper. Since the country where he works from isnt in good terms with Israel, he travels to Is

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:34:12 +, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Assess the following scenario: > > If say, i'm in country X planning to go to Israel. And, i go apply for an > Israeli visa; but since i'm working in say, Dubai, the Israeli embassy > stamps my visa in a separate paper. I book my ticket

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Not to mention that the visa itself has to be on the passport and remain there, no matter where the stamp goes. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Assess the following scenario: > > If say, i'm in country X planning to go to Israel. And, i go apply for an > Israeli visa; but

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

You are leading this into an ideological debate whoever you are, this is for people interested in attending wikimania getting to attend wikimania-thats it. whatever your beliefs are this is not the forum for it. Troll elsewhere. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:57 PM, wrote: > Yaroslav M. Blanter wro

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Assess the following scenario: If say, i'm in country X planning to go to Israel. And, i go apply for an Israeli visa; but since i'm working in say, Dubai, the Israeli embassy stamps my visa in a separate paper. I book my ticket to Haifa and go to the airport. For me to board the airline, the a

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Again the thing is the difference between the two according to the visa stamping info on the website, most of these countries- actually a lot of countries are going to need a visa to enter israel regardless of their relations. there is no way to get a visa on a separate paper, even if you get a sta

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> Isn't there supposed to be a boycott? >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jun/20/internationaleducationnews.highereducation >> ___ > > This is bullshit. There are always people who for instance never take an > air

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Its from 2006 and its still the first time I ever read of such a boycott. I agree with Yaroslav, its irrelevant. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > > Isn't there supposed to be a boycott? > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jun/20/internationaleducation

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Moushira Elamrawy wrote: > (maybe the local team knows can provide a full and clear > list as well as confirmation on having a stamp on a separate paper > without restrictions?). They do have this page on Wikimania2011wiki already:

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On 8/11/10, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > >> I believe the "difficulty" of getting a visa varies from one country >> to another, but even with the help of the bidding team, an issue will >> remain unresolved, that is: Some countries do not allow persons with >> an Israeli stamp on their passports,

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

> Isn't there supposed to be a boycott? > http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2006/jun/20/internationaleducationnews.highereducation > > ___ This is bullshit. There are always people who for instance never take an air flight - should we also complain t

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

> I am curious if the Israeli embassies are going to be lenient in > mid-eastern > countries and are aware of the issue, do you have their support? I would > also like to ask about the stamp being on a separate page? doesnt the Visa > have to be on the passport itself, are you talking about > two

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Nathan wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: >> Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare >> step into Israeli soil. >> > > That's a pretty broad generalization - hopefully the organizing team > will still make every effort to include as

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

I absolutely agree that this is a complicated matter and would differ from country to country. the thing is the foundations goal of expanding in the "global south" does place some priority on the middle east, it would be rather unfortunate that most of the people might not be able to make it to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

> I believe the "difficulty" of getting a visa varies from one country > to another, but even with the help of the bidding team, an issue will > remain unresolved, that is: Some countries do not allow persons with > an Israeli stamp on their passports, to enter their borders. The list > includes:

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

I think Moushira is right: as much as there are external threats (which are being curbed in one way or another), it ultimately is a personal decision of whether or not a person wants to go. > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:45:44 +0200 > From: mathias.schind...@gmail.com > To: foundation-l@lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Participation in Wikimania 2011

On 8/11/10, Mathias Schindler wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: >> Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare >> step into Israeli soil. > > Hey, isn't this already progress when they acknowledge the soil to be > Israeli? :) It is dif

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > > What some people from the are afraid of is not entering Israel; but the > consequences of them entering Israel (eg being barred entry to Dubai as a > result of prior travel to Israel). At least some states are offering secondary passport

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare > step into Israeli soil. Hey, isn't this already progress when they acknowledge the soil to be Israeli? :) ___ foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Thanks Harel for your email.. On 8/11/10, Harel Cain wrote: > Israel is well aware of this situation, and offers the special > possibility of stamping not the passport but a separate page on entry > and exit, for any visitor that requests it A confirmation for the possibility of getting the stamp

[Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Israel is well aware of this situation, and offers the special possibility of stamping not the passport but a separate page on entry and exit, for any visitor that requests it (Westerners who work/travel to countries like Iran will not want an Israeli stamp on their passport). As to visiting Israe

[Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Hi all, Thanks for bringing this up - although I think this belongs on wikimania-l and not necessarily here. I believe we'll be posting a FAQ dedicated to these issues quite soon on our website, http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org, as this matter has been brought up a number of times already. I'l

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

What some people from the are afraid of is not entering Israel; but the consequences of them entering Israel (eg being barred entry to Dubai as a result of prior travel to Israel). Image by FlamingText.com > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:26:09 +0300 > From: moushi...@gmail.com >

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Abbas: Let us not generalize; it is a complex and complicated matter about the will/ability to visit Israel if you happen to be a resident of an Arab or Muslim nation. I believe the "difficulty" of getting a visa varies from one country to another, but even with the help of the bidding team, an is

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare > step into Israeli soil. > That's a pretty broad generalization - hopefully the organizing team will still make every effort to include as many people as possible,

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare step into Israeli soil. > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:06:45 +0100 > From: thomas.dal...@gmail.com > To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011 > > On 11 August 2010 12

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

On 11 August 2010 12:37, Andrea Zanni wrote: > DISCLAIMER: this is a delicate issue that could easily generate a flame. So > please everybody presume the good faith and stay on topic :-) > > > I don't really know if this issue as been discussed in earlier threads (I > subscribed to this list after

[Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

DISCLAIMER: this is a delicate issue that could easily generate a flame. So please everybody presume the good faith and stay on topic :-) I don't really know if this issue as been discussed in earlier threads (I subscribed to this list after Gdansk and the only pertinent thing I found is here: ht