Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:29:18PM +0100, AGK wrote: > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: Jeffrey Peters <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> > > Date: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:45 PM > > Subject: Foundation-l > > To: adh...@gmail.com > > > I already removed my access from foundation-l an

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Austin Hair
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Rich Holton wrote: > Please, someone confirm for me that he was not put on moderation because of > his views, but rather because of his behavior! Yes, and I think I said as much at the time. Austin ___ foundation-l mai

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:57 PM, wrote: > >> David Gerard wrote: >> > No, what ASCAP means by that is that they want to get a fee when >> > people distribute CC-licensed music too. >> >> Do ASAC also expect to get a fee when music by people repr

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Online distribution doesn't favor having a lot of middle men, > certainly not a lot of _profitable_ middlemen... I've yet to see much evidence of that. Online distribution seems to love middle men as much as any other distribution, and

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:57 PM, wrote: > David Gerard wrote: > > No, what ASCAP means by that is that they want to get a fee when > > people distribute CC-licensed music too. > > Do ASAC also expect to get a fee when music by people represented by BMI > or SESAC gets distributed? I think not. S

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 21:31, Rich Holton wrote: > Please, someone confirm for me that he was not put on moderation because of > his views, but rather because of his behavior! Definitely for his language. There are people with simlarly radical views unmoderated. :-) g _

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Rich Holton
Please, someone confirm for me that he was not put on moderation because of his views, but rather because of his behavior! -Rich Holton On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels >

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-26 Thread AGK
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Jeffrey Peters <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> > Date: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:45 PM > Subject: Foundation-l > To: adh...@gmail.com > I already removed my access from foundation-l and filed an official > protest as the lead operator at Wikiversity a

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels wrote: > >> I'm not sure whether I am though. This message plus the discussion >> that was the base of it has cost me 50 Euros in things I broke >> throwing them through my room, plus a severe loss

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > In Italian Wikipedia, for example, we have had long time ago a project > with the aim to create a structure of any article of physics with a > section for "easy readers". > > The project has failed because the most difficult point for a > p

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Peter Gervai
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels wrote: > I'm not sure whether I am though. This message plus the discussion > that was the base of it has cost me 50 Euros in things I broke > throwing them through my room, plus a severe loss of feeling of > self-worth. I don't think that's worth it.

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM, wrote: > I doubt the local basement startup band actually needs to distribute 5MB > songs over a p2p network. That the bandwidth used would hardly trouble > their hosting site. > > Its such nonsense by Nesson and others at PK and the EFF that ASCAP want > to coun

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread wiki-list
David Gerard wrote: > On 26 June 2010 17:33, wrote: > >> I don't suspect that is correct for one moment, and there is nothing to >> suggest such FUD in their letter. They are talking about THEIR copyright >> and that "these groups simply do not want to pay for the use of *our* >> music". > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 June 2010 17:33, wrote: > I don't suspect that is correct for one moment, and there is nothing to > suggest such FUD in their letter. They are talking about THEIR copyright > and that "these groups simply do not want to pay for the use of *our* > music". No, what ASCAP means by that is t

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread wiki-list
David Gerard wrote: > On 26 June 2010 11:53, wrote: > > > The point of my post was, of course, that ASCAP are attempting to > apply pressure to Congress to outlaw the licence most Wikimedia > content is released under (by its creators). > I don't suspect that is correct for one moment, and th

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Andre Engels wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters >> <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: >>> Austin, >>> >>> Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. Gerard's

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 24 June 2010 15:04, Ziko van Dijk wrote: >> - Scope and name: Maybe it would practically make no big difference >> whether the project is called "simple" or "for kids". Poor readers and >> adult beginning readers (natives or not) tend to

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-26 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Victor Vasiliev wrote: > I may suggest two easy ways how it may be solved technically: > * Introduction of a special namespace on a "larger" Wikipedia. > * Introduction of s subdomain (e.g. simple.de.wikipedia.org) with shared > admins (that should be simple with SUL). > I believe there is no need

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Arthur Richards joins Wikimedia

2010-06-26 Thread Tomasz Finc
Greetings, I'm very excited to welcome Arthur Richards to the Wikimedia Foundation as the backend developer for fundraising. Back in the fall 2005, after Hurricane Katrina, Arthur took a leave of absence from Oberlin College to work with a grassroots relief organization in New Orleans, Louis

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

2010-06-26 Thread Austin Hair
Andre, I think you and I are doomed to be forever confused with each other. Austin -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeffrey Peters <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> Date: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:45 PM Subject: Foundation-l To: adh...@gmail.com Dear Andre, I already removed my access

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Austin Hair
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Andre Engels wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters > <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: >> Austin, >> >> Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. Gerard's >> call for political activism against that organization is

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: > Austin, > > Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. Gerard's > call for political activism against that organization is completely > unacceptable and harms projects like my own that

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread David Gerard
On 26 June 2010 11:53, wrote: The point of my post was, of course, that ASCAP are attempting to apply pressure to Congress to outlaw the licence most Wikimedia content is released under (by its creators). They want to stop the actual creators of content from releasing it under copyleft licence

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

2010-06-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > The difference was that Wikipedia was not made for young people. > > If I run a social group for adults and there are issues with children > who visit, I can blame it on their parents and say they should control > them better. If I run a so

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > When I go to YouTube, the number of videos which are some bad amateur > singer trying to sing some good song far outweigh the number of original > videos > of that song/group.  The amount of free content in music, in general is > rapidly approaching or

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread wiki-list
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/26/2010 2:33:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > > >> When service providers are lobbying to promote copyleft they are doing >> so in order muddy the copyright waters. The amount of copyleft material >> in the musi

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 6/26/2010 2:33:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > When service providers are lobbying to promote copyleft they are doing > so in order muddy the copyright waters. The amount of copyleft material > in the music world is, with the exception of p

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread wiki-list
Jeffrey Peters wrote: > David Gerard, > > This list is not for your political advocacy. > > Now, stop trolling. > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122367645363324303.html > > The founder of Creative Commons is a very prominent pirate and promoter of > piracy in addition to CC. That has been es

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread wiki-list
Andre Engels wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Jeffrey Peters > <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: > >> Thank you for clarifying. I put forth another email based on the expectation >> of the point you just made (so, thus, I am sorry for assuming you were >> speaking against the law and

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Jeffrey Peters > <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: > > David Gerard, > > > > This list is not for your political advocacy. > > > > Now, stop trolling. > > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1223676453633

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

2010-06-26 Thread Austin Hair
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Jeffrey Peters <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: > David Gerard, > > This list is not for your political advocacy. > > Now, stop trolling. > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122367645363324303.html > > The founder of Creative Commons is a very prominent pirat