Re: [Foundation-l] language differences

2010-03-08 Thread masti
Yes they deserve, but there are no editors to write the articles. Forget about autotranslators. They are not able to translate anything except of giving the idea what a text is about. masti On 03/09/2010 12:54 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello everyone! How come the number of articles in each language Wi

[Foundation-l] language differences

2010-03-08 Thread Tyler
Hello everyone! How come the number of articles in each language Wikipedia is so different? I mean, in English, 3,000,000 or so articles. Spanish, about 600,000 articles. Don't encyclopedias deserve to be the same size, no matter what language? Why don't they have automatic translator bots to

[Foundation-l] Strategic Planning Office hours

2010-03-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi everyone, The next strategic planning office hours are: Tuesday from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: Tuesday, 12-1pm PST Tuesday, 3pm-4pm EST We're now beginning the process of synthesizing the work that's been done so far. Office hours will be a great opportunity to discuss the work that's ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Dovi Jacobs wrote: > 1. With the full acceptance of Latin/Esperanto into the Wikimedia, it > seems that the first question has been put to rest ("no"), despite the > current text of the language policy. Esperanto has significant number of native speakers, as well a

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > I agree with this decision but probably it's better that the > communities could change the interface. In my opinion the contributors > of an old language may not be able to understand the "latin script" > (IMHO the Greek should have the int

[Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Dovi Jacobs
Thanks for your reply. It seems to me that in past debate there were two separate issues: 1. Do creation of a wiki require that there be *native* speakers for the language to be considered "living"? 2. Opposition to neologisms in classical languages, most forcefully and staunchly stated by Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > This issue was discussed a number of times here. As some changes has > happened, you should know that. > > Requests for Wikisource in Ancient Greek and Coptic have became > eligible, as well as request for Ancient Greek Wikiquote. The > conditi

Re: [Foundation-l] Chinese languages (was: Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages)

2010-03-08 Thread Pharos
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Aphaia wrote: > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Aphaia wrote: >>> I find here a wrong assupmtion. >>> First wrong assumption is "Written Chinese is not very different for >>> millenniums", they aren't same, an

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > What with the living languages that can't pass this test? Living languages can make neologisms and can adopt loan words. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscrib

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Milos Rancic wrote: > A general test for having interface in MediaWiki in some language is: > Would the translation of the word "file" [computer meaning] be > understandable for native speakers or for those who are/were using > that language as a medium for communication? (I didn't want to say > "w

Re: [Foundation-l] Chinese languages (was: Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages)

2010-03-08 Thread Aphaia
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Aphaia wrote: >> I find here a wrong assupmtion. >> First wrong assumption is "Written Chinese is not very different for >> millenniums", they aren't same, and consequently Edo period Japanese >> who were taught

[Foundation-l] Chinese languages (was: Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages)

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Aphaia wrote: > I find here a wrong assupmtion. > First wrong assumption is "Written Chinese is not very different for > millenniums", they aren't same, and consequently Edo period Japanese > who were taught Classical Chinese already found difficulty to > understand

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Dovi Jacobs wrote: > This announcement is a very positive step forward! The members of the > language committee deserve great > credit for their willingness to re-think these proposals. I am truly > grateful, and I'm sure many others who put > great effort into t

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the consensus to the policy necessary?

2010-03-08 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:42 AM, kigen2700...@gmail.com wrote: > Does Wikipedia's principles need consensus of the community? > There is not consensus of the community, but does somebody pass if > filled out the page with "Policy"? There are values which are at the core of Wikipedia and cannot rea

Re: [Foundation-l] Is the consensus to the policy necessary?

2010-03-08 Thread kigen2700...@gmail.com
2010/3/8 Aphaia : > Hi, > I reviewed his contribs to Japanese Wikipedia and found him post raw > (not translated yet) EnWP policy without any effort to building any > consensus of the community, before posting to this list. Just for your > information. > > Best, > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is fun

2010-03-08 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 03:03, Brian J Mingus wrote: > That would require a Sanger/Wales collaboration. Hah! That'd be the day! ;-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Foundation-l] Changes in Language committee practice: ancient and constructed languages

2010-03-08 Thread Dovi Jacobs
This announcement is a very positive step forward! The members of the language committee deserve great credit for their willingness to re-think these proposals. I am truly grateful, and I'm sure many others who put great effort into trying to improve the language proposal policy last year are gr