Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-04 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > presumably, it gets a little tighter right before the fundraisers. > In 2009 it was "tightest" end of september/beginning of october. In October and November, revenues exceeded expenses. That's a great chart (*) by the way. I'd be interested

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Chad wrote: > >> I'm curious as to whether there's anything official behind this poll[1] on >> en.wikipedia to "simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans >> use it" until the proposed enwiki changes a

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Chad wrote: > I'm curious as to whether there's anything official behind this poll[1] on > en.wikipedia to "simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans > use it" until the proposed enwiki changes are ready. > Is it even technically feasible? Turn on

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-04 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: >> Dan Rosenthal wrote: >>> You've identified one of the criticisms of OCILLA/DMCA -- that it can be >>> easily abused by copyright holder to keep stuff offline. (This is what the >>> EFF is probably gettin

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-04 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Dan Rosenthal wrote: >> You've identified one of the criticisms of OCILLA/DMCA -- that it can be >> easily abused by copyright holder to keep stuff offline. (This is what the >> EFF is probably getting involved over). However, the proper response to that >> is for the

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
William Pietri wrote: > On 03/04/2010 10:57 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > >> Purely as a point of fact it is simply inaccurate that the >> 20 implementations of flagged revs and patrolled edits >> across the other wikies than English Wikipedia are >> monolithically identical. I know this fi

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread William Pietri
On 03/04/2010 01:45 PM, Mike.lifeguard wrote: > Why did it take this request from enwiki to have the UX aspect of > flagged revisions taken seriously? > > This has been one of the main complaints about the implementation since > day zero. All other complaints I've heard have been regarding the idea

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, William Pietri wrote: > we think there are some interface changes are > going to improve both the user experience and the value of the enwiki > trial. Why did it take this request from enwiki to have the UX aspect of flagged rev

Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-04 Thread Andrew Gray
On 3 March 2010 20:53, Andrew Gray wrote: > mid-2007 - - - - - $1m > end-2007 - - - - - $2.3m - - - - - $0.21m - - - - - 11 mos. > mid-2008 - - - - - $3m - - - - - ($0.32m) - - - - - 9 mos. > end-2008 - - - - - $6.7m - - - - - $0.43m - - - - - 15 mos. > mid-2009 - - - - - $6.2m - - - - - ($0.54m)

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread William Pietri
On 03/04/2010 10:57 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Purely as a point of fact it is simply inaccurate that the > 20 implementations of flagged revs and patrolled edits > across the other wikies than English Wikipedia are > monolithically identical. I know this firsthand. > Sorry if I gave t

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
William Pietri wrote: > On 03/04/2010 09:20 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > >> William Pietri wrote: >> >> >>> Instead, I think the right approach is to put new software out there >>> frequently, so people can try it out for themselves and form their own >>> opinions of how close we are. Eventua

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Chad
Even better is [1], since it includes commits to FlaggedRevs other than Aaron's. -Chad [1] http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki?path=/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs On Mar 4, 2010 1:20 PM, "William Pietri" wrote: On 03/04/2010 09:59 AM, David Gerard wrote: > William has mentioned the

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread William Pietri
On 03/04/2010 09:59 AM, David Gerard wrote: > William has mentioned there are software checkins, etc. in progress. > Even a list of those would be excellent stuff. > This appears to be the best source: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/aaron William ___

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread William Pietri
On 03/04/2010 09:20 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > William Pietri wrote: > >> Instead, I think the right approach is to put new software out there >> frequently, so people can try it out for themselves and form their own >> opinions of how close we are. Eventually, both the builders and the >> communit

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 March 2010 17:20, MZMcBride wrote: > Also, David Gerard made a suggestion about weekly updates that concretely > list the progress that's being made with regard to FlaggedRevs development. William has mentioned there are software checkins, etc. in progress. Even a list of those would be ex

Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-04 Thread William Pietri
On 03/03/2010 06:41 PM, Veronique Kessler wrote: > Hi, > > The question of what is the right reserve amount is a common one. I've > hear of ranges from 0 to 3 months to 3 years. I agree that one year is > a good measure and that could be increased or decreased depending on a > variety of circumst

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread MZMcBride
William Pietri wrote: > Instead, I think the right approach is to put new software out there > frequently, so people can try it out for themselves and form their own > opinions of how close we are. Eventually, both the builders and the > community will agree that there's something worth shipping. A

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread William Pietri
Hi, Stephen. Thanks for making your point in a polite, low-drama way. On 03/04/2010 05:58 AM, Stephen Bain wrote: >> The answer is already given ... When it is done. You have been informed with >> > the latest developments.. so you know the existing issues. >> > That's normally the perfect

Re: [Foundation-l] Sue Gardner, Erik M?ller , William Pietri: Where is FlaggedRevisions?

2010-03-04 Thread Peter Gervai
Spasiba Yaroslav! :-) I thought I'm all alone with my opinion that it works. Paka, Peter Hungary On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 16:06, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> "Years" is a bit of an exaggeration. German Wikipedia was first and >> that was May 6, 2008. That's a little under 2 years. I don't think

Re: [Foundation-l] Building up the reserves

2010-03-04 Thread effe iets anders
hm, wouldn't that be more a question that would suit more the board? It seems a rather strategic one. Lodewijk 2010/3/4 Geoffrey Plourde > Veronique, what would be the maximum we'd want to go with a reserve fund. I > know that with Army Emergency Relief for example, they get dinged by Charity >

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
You've identified one of the criticisms of OCILLA/DMCA -- that it can be easily abused by copyright holder to keep stuff offline. (This is what the EFF is probably getting involved over). However, the proper response to that is for the alleged infringer to request sanctions against the copyright ho

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > The answer is already given ... When it is done. You have been informed with > the latest developments.. so you know the existing issues. That's normally the perfect answer, but the point of this discussion is that it's not unreasonable

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The answer is already given ... When it is done. You have been informed with the latest developments.. so you know the existing issues. Thanks, GerardM 2010/3/4 MZMcBride > Erik Moeller wrote: > > We're very thankful for Aaron's hard work on the FlaggedRevs extension > > over the year

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread K. Peachey
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Chad wrote: > I'm curious as to whether there's anything official behind this poll[1] on > en.wikipedia to "simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans > use it" until the proposed enwiki changes are ready. > > -Chad > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wik

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread Chad
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2010/3/1 Austin Hair : >> I think it would be great if someone >> on the project could put the initial tone aside, turn the other cheek, >> and let everyone interested (and I know there are several) know what's >> going on. > > Hi Austin et al

Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

2010-03-04 Thread MZMcBride
Erik Moeller wrote: > We're very thankful for Aaron's hard work on the FlaggedRevs extension > over the years; it's really almost entirely due to him that the > extension is now in active use in more than 20 wikis, with more than > 1M pages patrolled in dewiki alone. That's an amazing achievement f