On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Erik Moeller <e...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > 2010/3/1 Austin Hair <adh...@gmail.com>: >> I think it would be great if someone >> on the project could put the initial tone aside, turn the other cheek, >> and let everyone interested (and I know there are several) know what's >> going on. > > Hi Austin et al., > > William has already posted extensively on this topic, so I'll keep it > simple. Since our last update in January [1], Aaron has continued to > work [2] through the list of issues [3] specific to the enwiki feature > request called "Flagged Protection". The current version of > FlaggedRevs has dependencies on MediaWiki core that haven't been > deployed yet, and the labs sites run on the same code tree, so Aaron > is now backporting the extension to work with the currently deployed > MediaWiki version, so he can pull the update to labs. Rob has also > separately re-purposed one of the servers from our main cluster, which > Aaron and Rob will set up as a separate testing environment that can > run any code, but which will need to resemble a roughly > production-equivalent system setup so that any observed behavior > matches what we will observe in a full production deployment. > > William will post a more detailed update once the new code is > available for public testing. We'll need to test both the enwiki setup > and common existing configurations to ensure that we're not breaking > any pre-existing configurations, as we're not intending to fork the > extension. > > Looking forward, our UX team has recently contracted Ryan Lane to > develop a new QA pipeline that supports easy spin-up of prototype > sites, as well as automated interaction testing using Selenium. [4] So > far, they've been using Linode VMs for prototype.wikimedia.org, but > their performance characteristics haven't been consistent with our > needs. > > We're very thankful for Aaron's hard work on the FlaggedRevs extension > over the years; it's really almost entirely due to him that the > extension is now in active use in more than 20 wikis, with more than > 1M pages patrolled in dewiki alone. That's an amazing achievement for > one young, talented engineer. And we're also grateful to William and > Howie for helping to guide the process, especially after Brion's > departure. > > With that said, the concepts of FlaggedRevs pre-date even WMF itself, > and first development work began when the organization just had a tiny > number of employees. As a result, the process has involved almost > every single stakeholder in the Wikimedia movement (having an opinion, > not writing actual code), and as a product development process, been > entirely broken. We'll see it to further deployment, but of course > it's not the panacea that some people think it is; everyone means > something different when they talk about it, and there's a lot more > work to be done in the problem-space. > > Through investments like the UX team, WMF is now building its capacity > for team-based product development, and ultimately, the tools we > develop to deal with quality assessment, moderation and labeling (and > IMO labeling is just as much a component of the BLP problem as edit > moderation) will need to be part of our overall product roadmap and be > tackled by the team as a whole. But, there are no shortcuts: new hires > take time to get productive, legacy projects need to be carefully > transitioned, and operations capacity (both staffing and resources) > needs to grow commensurate with new challenges. WMF is doing more than > ever before to serve its mission, but aspirations typically grow more > quickly than foundations. > > All best, > Erik > > [1] > http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/01/flagged-revisions-your-questions-answered/ > [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/aaron > [3] http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/46157 > [4] > http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resources#Interaction_testing_automation > -- > Erik Möller > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >
I'm curious as to whether there's anything official behind this poll[1] on en.wikipedia to "simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans use it" until the proposed enwiki changes are ready. -Chad [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/poll _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
