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2010-01-18 Thread Joan Goma
Details on how to measure it are relatively complex. We can make a guess because of data collected from sources available for Catalan. My mail was just to explain the phenomena. Figures results from: a) Surveys. Last one answered by 400 Catalan Wikipedia readers. We use results from answer to qu

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > (hint: a 16-year-old masturbating is > not "real" child pornography, and is in fact legal, though explicit, > in New South Wales, Australia). > Last I checked the WMF falls under US law, so you might want to read http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Mike Godwin wrote: > Nathan writes: > > With respect, legal issues are debated on many projects practically > >> every day. This particular issue is no different. In some >> jurisdictions, just accessing such files can expose one to legal risk. >> While Mike is a good lawyer, he doesn't represen

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Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread geni
2010/1/17 private musings : > Here's another concerning aspect of management of explicit media on WMF; > It's been asserted that images of a 16 year old girl masturbating have been > uploaded to commons; Whats that got to do with management? Any service that allows user uploads of images is going

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:31 PM, private musings wrote: > > I just had a good chat with someone pointing out that my posts probably > conflate a few different areas, so perhaps while I may have your ear, Mike, > I could ask you if you'd see any problem with expanding the role of OTRS to > include

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread private musings
heh! indeed - I don't think anyone would expect you to disclose everything on this list! That would be rather silly ;-) I'm also certain of both your expertise and connections in regard to law enforcement, DOJs and whatnot - I certainly haven't meant to imply that your expertise in this regard is a

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:41 PM, private musings wrote: > > Finally, your last bit, Mike, seemed to indicate that you feel the DOJ > (department of justice, I think) would be wanting to talk to you if anything > bad was going on does that really prohibit us from chatting about stuff > here? Ha

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread private musings
( ah c'mon d - who loves ya' baby ;-) It's good to see you (Mike) here too - I'm glad you're clearly aware of the concerns I've consistently raised, and I appreciate that I may not have been completely clear about what I would hope the foundation, as oppose to the communities, might be able to do -

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread David Gerard
2010/1/19 Mike Godwin : > Keep in mind, though, that PM is constantly asking for Foundation > intervention with regard to the images that he is so consistently reviewing > and concerned about. Why PM wants Foundation intervention rather than > community consensus is unclear to me -- It's because

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Mike Godwin
Nathan writes: With respect, legal issues are debated on many projects practically > every day. This particular issue is no different. In some > jurisdictions, just accessing such files can expose one to legal risk. > While Mike is a good lawyer, he doesn't represent individual editors - > and the

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Nathan
> It's possible for system administrators to delete files entirely from > the servers for legal reasons, but because it is quite > labour-intensive, I for one have only ever performed such a deletion > when it is real child pornography (hint: a 16-year-old masturbating is > not "real" child pornogr

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:23 AM, K. Peachey wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> iirc, there is already a mediawiki capability for images to be >> completely removed from the servers. >> >> I can't see this capability in the sysop tools, so maybe I only imagined it

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2010-01-18 Thread William Pietri
On 01/18/2010 09:29 AM, Joan Goma wrote: > There are 3 phenomena acting simultaneously against the number of visits to > small projects: The bilingual effect, the size effect, and the Google > effect. For Catalan case we estimate a penalization factor of 8.3 (that > means that visits are 8.3 times

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> somewhat taken aback by a few of the pics in that video... are we ever >> going to have an article called "gay facial"? > > Are you saying that you will be surprised if you find out that we have one? Heh, after I pressed 'send' I though

[Foundation-l] SUL conflict resolution

2010-01-18 Thread Erwin
Dear all, We've had SUL ([1]) for almost two years now. At the moment projects all have different policies for usurpation. On some projects conflicts can easily be solved, while on others they can't. Are there any plans for having a Foundation wide policy on that? Will unattached accounts ever be

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2010-01-18 Thread Marcus Buck
Joan Goma hett schreven: > There are 3 phenomena acting simultaneously against the number of visits to > small projects: The bilingual effect, the size effect, and the Google > effect. For Catalan case we estimate a penalization factor of 8.3 (that > means that visits are 8.3 times less that what t

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2010-01-18 Thread Joan Goma
There are 3 phenomena acting simultaneously against the number of visits to small projects: The bilingual effect, the size effect, and the Google effect. For Catalan case we estimate a penalization factor of 8.3 (that means that visits are 8.3 times less that what they should be). It comes from: 1.

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > > Are you saying that you will be surprised if you find out that we > have one? I'm mostly surprised that we DON'T. Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.o

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Monday 18 January 2010 16:33:00 Bod Notbod написа: > somewhat taken aback by a few of the pics in that video... are we ever > going to have an article called "gay facial"? Are you saying that you will be surprised if you find out that we have one?

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> As for the link, showing these in greatly enlarged  versions, without >> the context of the articles in which they are used, is setting up a >> strong bias. We've never engaged in that use of the material, nor >> would we. If people want to

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 01:00, private musings wrote: > I'm more raising the issue that what could be child pornography remains > available to wmf volunteers with 'oversight' op.s on commons - I don't think you wanna get the only fun from poor oversights, naughty naughty