Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > >  How do you determine the number of views a particular Wikipedia page has > received? http://stats.grok.se/en/200910/Colorado%20Balloon%20Incident -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@li

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread wjhonson
How do you determine the number of views a particular Wikipedia page has received? -Original Message- From: Brian J Mingus To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Brian J Mingus
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Bod Notbod wrote: > Is it possible that sometimes Wikipedia steals Wikinews' thunder? > > You get something like that kid (not) in a balloon and it > struggles/fails to get on Wikipedia but I assume did OK on Wikinews. > > Sometimes a current event is big enough th

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Bod Notbod
Is it possible that sometimes Wikipedia steals Wikinews' thunder? You get something like that kid (not) in a balloon and it struggles/fails to get on Wikipedia but I assume did OK on Wikinews. Sometimes a current event is big enough that Wikipedia can cover it without fear of deletion (I think of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Andrew Turvey
- wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > > ... Few to no Wikipedia articles > point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. How about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Treaty#Signing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > I've read a variety of things there though I haven't yet been inspired > to make a proposal.  My impression though, and correct me if I > overlooked something, is that the strategy development process has > generally been framed in terms of i

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Fowler, John
Hi all, While specific proposals have indeed been solicited (largely focusing on individual projects), task forces focusing on larger strategic issues have been formed in the past few weeks. These task forces are deliberating on key issues that affect the Wikimedia community broadly. You can fi

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Michael Snow
Robert Rohde wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Bod Notbod wrote: > >> Are you already on >> >> http://strategy.wikimedia.org >> > I've read a variety of things there though I haven't yet been inspired > to make a proposal. My impression though, and correct me if I > overlooked some

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread altally
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, wrote: > Wikinews should be gracefully shut down. It's long since failed to serve > any service to the community or to the world. Few to no Wikipedia articles > point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. And I submit that > no outside agency points

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread wjhonson
But George we do have pointers from Wikipedia to Wikisource, Wikiquote, and so on. Wikinews is sort of the red-headed stepchild of the entire collective. It's been going for years and yet only has 15,000 English-language articles. That's probably smaller even than Citizendium. The failure

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Bod Notbod wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > >> At the root, I think that Wikipedia is something of a victim of it's >> own success.  We've written the largest encyclopedia in history, >> become a household name, and created a top web d

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > At the root, I think that Wikipedia is something of a victim of it's > own success.  We've written the largest encyclopedia in history, > become a household name, and created a top web destination.  Great > job.  What now? Are you already on

Re: [Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 23:36, Robert Rohde wrote: > I have been part of the wiki community for 6 years now. As I reflect > on what I've seen over the years, I've developed a definite sense that > the enthusiasm and energy in the community has waned. (I'm going to > frame this discussion mostly

[Foundation-l] Growth vs. maintenance

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Rohde
I have been part of the wiki community for 6 years now. As I reflect on what I've seen over the years, I've developed a definite sense that the enthusiasm and energy in the community has waned. (I'm going to frame this discussion mostly in terms of the English Wikipedia, though I think it applies

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, wrote: > [...] Few to no Wikipedia articles > point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. I believe that there's a policy determination that Wikinews is not a Wikipedia "Reliable Source" as defined in [[WP:RS]], so not having pointers from Wikipedia t

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread Nathan
We keep it because some people use it, some people contribute to it, and it costs us very little to keep it going. All projects that are useful and well used were at one point completely obscure, including the English Wikipedia. That obscurity is not, of itself, a good reason to delete the entire p

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread WJhonson
Wikinews should be gracefully shut down. It's long since failed to serve any service to the community or to the world. Few to no Wikipedia articles point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. And I submit that no outside agency points at Wikinews articles for anything. Why do we

Re: [Foundation-l] The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?

2009-11-04 Thread WJhonson
"Dominating it" Phoebe? We're talking about *a* single thread. One thread. That you can delete on sight without reading. And yet you keep reading it, and you keep complaining about reading it. Doesn't that seem a bit counter-productive. Just... stop... reading.. that one thread. Just say

Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Annual Fundraiser starts November 10th, UTC]

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Rohde
Not bad. I don't think all of it is good, but generally not bad. (I'd especially question some of the esoteric stuff in phase one, which gives no indication that this is a fundraiser, and simply assaults the visitor with platitudes in large font. I would suggest that the marketing instinct to bui

Re: [Foundation-l] The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?

2009-11-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
phoebe ayers wrote: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l is still up but > hasn't gotten any new traffic in the last few weeks. Suggestions > included: > * starting a forum > * starting an announcements list > * limiting posting > > Looking at that discussion's history I see t

[Foundation-l] [Fwd: Annual Fundraiser starts November 10th, UTC]

2009-11-04 Thread Cary Bass
Trying one more time. Seems to have disconnected from my previous message. Original Message Subject:Annual Fundraiser starts November 10th, UTC Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:42:00 -0800 From: Rand Montoya To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Wikimedians-- As som

[Foundation-l] [Fwd: Annual Fundraiser starts November 10th, UTC]

2009-11-04 Thread Cary Bass
Hi all, Rand asked me to forward this email for him as his client is presenting difficulties getting it to the list. -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ founda

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Strategic Planning Office Hours

2009-11-04 Thread lyzzy
Hi Ziko, you find them all on http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Alice. 2009/11/4 Ziko van Dijk > Sorry folks, I could not make it yesterday. Is there a protocol in the > net or elsewhere? > Kind regards > Ziko > > ___ foundation-l m

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Strategic Planning Office Hours

2009-11-04 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Sorry folks, I could not make it yesterday. Is there a protocol in the net or elsewhere? Kind regards Ziko 2009/11/3 Philippe Beaudette : > Strategic Planning office hours are tomorrow, Tuesday, November 3, > from 20:00-21:00 UTC. > > We meet in #wikimedia-strategy on the freenode network.  You

Re: [Foundation-l] The state of Foundation-l (again) was: Recent firing?

2009-11-04 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > >> From: wjhon...@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing? >> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 4:55 PM >> Personally, I process about two or

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia christmas calendar?

2009-11-04 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski : >> Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа: >>> First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high >>> it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the >>> conventiona