Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

DGG, I appreciate your points. Would we be so motivated by this thread if it weren't a complex problem? The fact that all of this is quite new, and that there are so many unknowns and gray areas, actually makes me consider it more likely that a body of wikimedians, experienced with their own form

[Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: May 2009

Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering: May 2009 Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees PRIORITIES FOR JUNE 1. Finalize 2009-10 Annual Plan for WMF Board of Trustees

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

Yann & Sam The problem is extraordinarily complex. A database of all "books" (and other media) ever published is beyond the joint capabilities of everyone interested. There are intermediate entities between "books" and "works", and important subordinate entities, such as "article" , "chapter" ,

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Brion Vibber wrote: > On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > >> While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the >> election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. >> With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of >> the community, I f

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

On 8/13/09, Andrew Turvey wrote: > > > - "Mathias Schindler" wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Starling > wrote: > > > > > > There is a need for bulk upload tools to be better advertised and more > > > readily accessible. One of the institutions reported paying students to >

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the > election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. > With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of > the community, I fear this endorseme

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Congratz indeed to the (re)elected, and thank you Domas for all your work, both within and outwith the Board. Andrew Turvey wrote: My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con reasons t

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board April 2009

Hi Thomas and others following this thread, I am following up with a more detailed response. Since the Board report was for the month of April, but our fiscal year ended June 30, I'd like to re-cap the fiscal year's results for the operating budget. The plan for 2008-09 called for $7.3 millio

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Congrats to the winners, and thanks to all those who had the courage to stand up and offer themselves as candidates. -Luna ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette < pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the > board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the > candidates ranked as follows: > > Final ranking > > 1 Ting Chen (W

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: >> I don't think so. "Your English is better than my >> language." is a honest response. > > Thank you, Milos, I appreciate your input. > > I meant another... aspect - like > >> Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bi

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

> I don't think so. "Your English is better than my > language." is a honest response. Thank you, Milos, I appreciate your input. I meant another... aspect - like > Rough eligibility can be derived from edit histories. This is a bit > harder to calculate, though anyone with a toolserver account

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:47 PM, George Herbert wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: >> On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: >>> I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal >>> discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web op

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

BTW, congratulations from me, too. I expect that: * Kate will stay as a hardline defender of the community interests; * Ting will continue to promote interests of the worldwide Wikimedians; * Samuel will bring fresh ideas about which he talked publicly, as well as privately with many of us. I als

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: > {{You're laughing on me }} > > :( I don't think so. "Your English is better than my language." is a honest response. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: ht

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On 8/12/09 1:48 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > Let me clarify: I'm not actually arguing that anything is wrong with the > election system, the results, or having old hands on the Board. On the > contrary. I'm just wondering if this election (even if it's not unusual) > might be conflated with the PARC

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

On 8/12/09 6:18 AM, Chad wrote: > Just thinking aloud here, but as to methods for accessing the content: > > A) Extends FileRepo to work with their data, however they happen to give > us access to it > B) Provide something similar to Special:Import, that will go retrieve their > data and import it

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Let me clarify: I'm not actually arguing that anything is wrong with the election system, the results, or having old hands on the Board. On the contrary. I'm just wondering if this election (even if it's not unusual) might be conflated with the PARC stats on the community that have gotten so much a

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: >> I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal >> discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops >> side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On 8/12/09 12:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the > election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. > With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of > the community, I fear this endorsement of seeming

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Hi, Congratulations Ting, Kat and Samuel. Thanks for everything so far and more to come, domas :) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 20:07, Steven Walling wrote: > While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the > election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. > With numerous me

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

{{You're laughing on me }} :( On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: >> Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it: > > Your English is far better than my Ukrainian.  I apologise for not > being more clear. > >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: > Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it: Your English is far better than my Ukrainian. I apologise for not being more clear. > Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that? > ... and what about

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

> The things you are asking for should be possible with already > available public data. These things would be good, but they are > things that *you* can do. :) Maybe my English is not good enough but I don't get it: Either you suggest that it will be possible or you're quite sure about that? ..

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Andrew Turvey wrote: > My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When > you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political > pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the > anti-incumbency fact

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: >> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. > > Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people > voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects > groups etc.) ? > ... I mean as detailed as

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

> A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects groups etc.) ? ... I mean as detailed as possible - more is better On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Phi

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Let me add my congratulations to our newly elected or re-elected Board members. :-) Domas - thank you for all your contributions as a Board member. I'm still amazed that you managed to serve on the Board while continuing your technical volunteer work! -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Fou

Re: [Foundation-l] PARC Was: Election Results

2009/8/12 Gregory Maxwell : > Speaking of PARC, does anyone have any contacts with them? We've been in touch with Ed Chi for the strategy planning process. I'll make a direct intro. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/D

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: > Congrats to Ting and SJ -- and a thank you to Domas, who is not only a > good big scary sysadmin but also a good big scary board member. Congrats to the three (re-)elected board members and all the best for the upcoming term. The voting system s

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

My first response is that's probably a reflection of the voting system. When you have a non-partisan system like this, there are no clear political pro/con reasons to vote for/against particular candidates and the anti-incumbency factor doesn't really work. Candidates are likely to be successful

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

Congratulations to the victors and thank you to all the candidates and thank you to the departing Domas! ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the > board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the > candidates ranked as follows: Wikimedia is an amazing thing to be part of and I'm honored to be chosen

[Foundation-l] PARC Was: Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: [snip] > Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? I didn't. Speaking of PARC, does anyone have any contacts with them? I wrote asking about how they removed vandalism from their revert and have not had a reply (

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the > election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. > With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of > the community, I fear this endorsemen

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

While I personally am very pleased with the results, I wonder how the election results will be perceived outside Wikimedia. With numerous media outlets reacting to PARC's research about the state of the community, I fear this endorsement of seemingly "old guard" Wikimedians as our Board representat

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the > board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the > candidates ranked as follows: > >  Final ranking > > 1       Ting Chen (Wing) > 2       Kat Walsh (mind

[Foundation-l] Election Results

The Wikimedia Foundation's Board Election Committee has concluded the board selection process, and is pleased to announce that the candidates ranked as follows: Final ranking 1 Ting Chen (Wing) 2 Kat Walsh (mindspillage) 3 Samuel Klein (Sj) 4 Gerard Meijssen (GerardM

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Tim Starling wrote: >> >>> Gregory Maxwell wrote: >>> I'm interested in knowing the nature of the error (understanding is the key to avoidance in the future!) >>> It was

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > >> Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> >>> I'm interested in knowing the nature of the error (understanding is >>> the key to avoidance in the future!) >>> >> It was my fault, and it was pretty much identical to th

[Foundation-l] Hotlinked images Was: GLAM-WIKI report

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Tim Starling wrote: [snip] > Brianna Laugher was receptive to the idea of having > Wikimedia projects hotlink or cache images from galleries. So there have been a number of statements against doing something like this, but (unsurprisingly) I don't think they have b

[Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

Hello, This discussion is very interesting. I would like to make a summary, so that we can go further. 1. A database of all books ever published is one of the thing still missing. 2. This needs massive collaboration by thousands of volunteers, so a wiki might be appropriate, however... 3. The dat

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

- "Mathias Schindler" wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > > > There is a need for bulk upload tools to be better advertised and more > > readily accessible. One of the institutions reported paying students to > > upload hundreds of photos to commons via the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:02 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Brian wrote: >> This comment makes my skin crawl. Everyone is entitled to have a voice and >> it is only the Board's impoverished vision of the community and limited ... > > Brian, I like many things you say wh

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Chad wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Brianna > Laugher wrote: >> Re GLAM repositories as a MediaWiki repo, I don't know enough on the >> tech side to know if it is even a remotely feasible idea. But on the >> 'social' side it did make me think about our in

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Brianna Laugher wrote: > Re GLAM repositories as a MediaWiki repo, I don't know enough on the > tech side to know if it is even a remotely feasible idea. But on the > 'social' side it did make me think about our insistence (currently > technically necessary) that ev

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> >> If someone else does the actual work, fine! It doesn't actually have >> to be WMF doing it. > > > Sure, as a volunteer, you'll say that. Godwin is a paid employee though, > not a volunte

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

Brianna Laugher wrote: > The suggestion was also made that Wikimedia should revisit its > restriction on NC material, and it was written down too, although I > think I was thinking the same thing as every other Wikimedian in the > room... For Wikimedia I think the lack of non-commercial material i

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > If someone else does the actual work, fine! It doesn't actually have > to be WMF doing it. Sure, as a volunteer, you'll say that. Godwin is a paid employee though, not a volunteer. ___ foundatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > In short, it was difficult for Knol to build > on the work of other collaborative freely licensed projects without, as a > practical matter, violating those licenses. (We saw countless examples of > people attempting to import Wikipedia conten

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

Kat Walsh wrote: > Thanks for the recap; sounds like the conference went pretty well. > > I'm not sure what the technical challenges you had in mind are, but I > can think of plenty of reasons to argue against hotlinking and I don't > want to let the point slip by. A few: > > 1. What about our mi

Re: [Foundation-l] Positive mention of Wikimedia sites in a web privacy study:

2009/8/12 Samuel Klein : > Feature Request Aside : I would appreciate having a preference to turn > on aggressive use tracking for myself -- to provide me with personal > statistics about my own site usage.  Currently there's nothing other > than a watchlist (or hand-created/edited page) and some t

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

Hoi, Not necessarily. One acronym I learned was KPI, when a GLAM has as a key performance indicator the number of times a picture is actually accessed, it may affect the amount of subsidy they get. There is no reason why an image cannot be made available to the people who want that image on their h

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

2009/8/12 Kat Walsh : > I'm not sure what the technical challenges you had in mind are, but I > can think of plenty of reasons to argue against hotlinking and I don't > want to let the point slip by. A few: The ones who want hotlinking want it as a way of making the images not free. l mean, real

Re: [Foundation-l] Positive mention of Wikimedia sites in a web privacy study:

I would so much like it if we had aggregate statistics about our users and their behavior while retaining our exemplary privacy culture. At Wiktionary it seems to me that the absence of statistics about users, especially anons, seems to lead us to a culture of serving ourselves rather than users,

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

Thanks for your report Tim. A minor correction, 2009/8/12 Gerard Meijssen : > Liam has a point when he suggests that we typically do not need the highest > resolutions to illustrate our Wikipedias . But I > really like the idea of Brianna where we hotlink and cache pictures

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > I tried to get a feeling for what sort of hard drive capacity we would > need if the institutions in the room decided they wanted to share large > amounts of content with us. Many of them have tens or hundreds of > terabytes of data storage, i

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/11/poor-google-knol-has-gone-from-a-wikipedia-killer-to-a-craigslist-wannabe/ -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Positive mention of Wikimedia sites in a web privacy study:

Feature Request Aside : I would appreciate having a preference to turn on aggressive use tracking for myself -- to provide me with personal statistics about my own site usage. Currently there's nothing other than a watchlist (or hand-created/edited page) and some toolserver tools that track edits

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Brian wrote: >> This is important:  NO ONE WAS DISENFRANCHISED BY THE ERROR. People >> were given suffrage who weren't entitled. >> >> > This comment makes my skin crawl. Everyone is entitled to have a voice and > it is only the Board's impoverished vision of the c

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

Hoi, Thank you Tim I find I am sad for not having been there. I blogged in reply but here is its text as well. Thanks, Gerard ** Tim Starling wrote a nice report

Re: [Foundation-l] [ol-discuss] [Wikisource-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote: >> Let's take a practical example. A classics professor I know >> (Greg Crane, copied here) has scans of primary source materials, >> some with approximate or hand-polished OCR, waiting to be >> uploaded and converted into a useful online reso

Re: [Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Starling wrote: > As far as I know, only one speaker expressed a completely contrary > opinion to the general mood of the conference, and that was Ian > MacDonald of the Australian Copyright Council. He started his opening statement with his intention to act a

[Foundation-l] GLAM-WIKI report

I thought I'd better write up a report about the conference I went to last week, to justify the time I spent there. I'll give some general observations followed by some technical ones. GLAM-WIKI was a two-day conference billed as a meeting between Australia's GLAM sector (galleries, libraries, arc