On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
> Machine translation in its current status is so useless for anything
> beyond ordering Opera Garnier tickets, that the copyright status of
> its output is not quite relevant and i don't expect this to change in
> the next fifty years.
>
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
> An unedited machine-translated text is likely to be speedily deleted
> as patent nonsense, before copyvio is even considered.
>
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If it is deleted as nonsense, t
That's really neat, I'm glad they worked on Wikipedia first. I'm sure
they are open to working with the licensing issues, they seem to like
to use a rather restrictive one as their default almost without
thinking about it, which I think is what happened with chrome also.
I'm sure they will be open
Not only did you not provide a critique of my more general claim (that the
user does not enter into a contract with Google regarding Wikipedia's data)
but you have no provided any sort of well founded critique of this one.
You've basically said, in both cases, "I don't believe that."
On Tue, Jun 9
2009/6/10 Brian :
> You're choosing not to get it. I can't help that.
So you can't actually back up your assertion.
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You're choosing not to get it. I can't help that.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/6/10 Brian :
> > Google and the user entered into a completely different contract by
> agreeing
> > to operate on freely licensed content.
> >
>
> Show me exactly where they entered into such an
2009/6/10 Brian :
> Google and the user entered into a completely different contract by agreeing
> to operate on freely licensed content.
>
Show me exactly where they entered into such an agreement.
Sane, non evil TOS service are not Google's strong point. Remember the
chrome mess?
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Google and the user entered into a completely different contract by agreeing
to operate on freely licensed content.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Andre Engels wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Brian wrote:
> > In the absence of a specific argument against my argument, my argument
> ho
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Brian wrote:
> In the absence of a specific argument against my argument, my argument holds
> - Google imports the data into their own service and there is no
> contradiction.
>
> Suppose however that my argument did not hold - that when Google download's
> data to
In the absence of a specific argument against my argument, my argument holds
- Google imports the data into their own service and there is no
contradiction.
Suppose however that my argument did not hold - that when Google download's
data to their own servers on behalf of a user this section of the
2009/6/9 masti :
> current level of sophistication of translation tools, especialy of
> languages that do not belog to the same group as english, german,
> french, etc. is completely useless.
>
> Machine translations into slavic languages are to be deleted from wiki
> immediatealy.
>
> masti
Slavi
2009/6/9 Brian :
> I don't agree with this interpretation. Google provides an interface whereby
> the user enters the URL to a Wikipedia article and Google imports the text
> into their own service. The user does no importing.
I think the odds of you successfully arguing that that does not fall
un
I don't agree with this interpretation. Google provides an interface whereby
the user enters the URL to a Wikipedia article and Google imports the text
into their own service. The user does no importing.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:47 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/6/9 Amir E. Aharoni :
> > On Wed, Jun 10,
current level of sophistication of translation tools, especialy of
languages that do not belog to the same group as english, german,
french, etc. is completely useless.
Machine translations into slavic languages are to be deleted from wiki
immediatealy.
masti
W dniu 09.06.2009 22:42, Brian pi
2009/6/9 Amir E. Aharoni :
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 00:54, geni wrote:
>> 2009/6/9 Brian :
>>> We should take the ToS to make sure the translated text can be CC-BY-SA
>>> licensed.
>>>
>>> /Brian
>>
>> Under Google's TOS you cannot enter CC or GFDL produced by someone
>> else into the translation
This is a theory. Google has a different theory that is backed up by
results. The size of the sentence-aligned corpus determines the quality of
the translation. The algorithms are entirely secondary.
In the absence of a sentence aligned corpus one must be created. People want
good machine translat
I couldn't dwelve into the TOS, but as I see it you start with a GFDL text
and end up uploading a text directly to Wikipedia; which implies that Google
is okay with their text being used that way (you don't have to copy-paste,
google uploads the text for you, although it is saved under your usernam
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 00:54, geni wrote:
> 2009/6/9 Brian :
>> We should take the ToS to make sure the translated text can be CC-BY-SA
>> licensed.
>>
>> /Brian
>
> Under Google's TOS you cannot enter CC or GFDL produced by someone
> else into the translation tool.
Where exactly do the TOS say i
I thought there would be some caveat.
They might be willing to fix this for us. We'd want to contact the
translation team directly since they are the ones who created the interface
to Wikipedia.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/6/9 Brian :
> > Google has built in support for u
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 00:26, Brian wrote:
> Honestly, I should have learned by now to ignore comments like this. Google
> is the leading world expert on machine translation and they think it's a
> good idea. I understand why they think it's a good idea, you don't. You're
> shooting straight from
2009/6/9 Brian :
> Google has built in support for using its machine translation technology to
> help bootstrap human translations of Wikipedia articles.
>
> http://translate.google.com/toolkit/docupload
>
> The benefit to Google is clear - they need sentence-aligned text in multiple
> languages in
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Brian wrote:
> Honestly, I should have learned by now to ignore comments like this. Google
> is the leading world expert on machine translation and they think it's a
> good idea. I understand why they think it's a good idea, you don't. You're
> shooting straight from
Honestly, I should have learned by now to ignore comments like this. Google
is the leading world expert on machine translation and they think it's a
good idea. I understand why they think it's a good idea, you don't. You're
shooting straight from the gut.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Amir E. Ah
On what basis do you make this extremely negative assessment?
Readability is the the same thing as ability to read.
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 23:42, Brian wrote:
> > Google has built in support for using its machine translation technology
> t
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 23:42, Brian wrote:
> Google has built in support for using its machine translation technology to
> help bootstrap human translations of Wikipedia articles.
>
> http://translate.google.com/toolkit/docupload
>
> The benefit to Google is clear - they need sentence-aligned text
Google has built in support for using its machine translation technology to
help bootstrap human translations of Wikipedia articles.
http://translate.google.com/toolkit/docupload
The benefit to Google is clear - they need sentence-aligned text in multiple
languages in order to bootstrap their aut
Michael Dale wrote:
> hmm.. it will be a one-two click install directly from the upload page.
> (if the user is using Firefox). Then it works exactly the same as the
> existing upload interface only it transcodes the video as it uploads
>
> Yea it would be good to support both; and yes we sh
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 03:31, Chen Minqi wrote:
> AFAIK, the software [1] they may use, does not block Wikipedia yet. I think
Doesn't seem to matter as it is told to be updated remotely. It may
block anything in any minute for no reason whatsoever.
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All,
after some internal discussion with the licensing update committee,
I'm proposing the following final site terms to be implemented on all
Wikimedia projects that currently use GFDL as their primary content
license, as well as the relevant multimedia templates:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/
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