Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

I agree. As I said before, where would this stop? Memorial sites for specific incidents will lead to more and more requests. If we have one for an event, we must have one for all. From: Jon To: k...@kurtweber.us; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wed

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Hoi, It is not one either. It has been said repeatedly that the process of a straightforward back up is something that is done on a regular basis. This however includes a lot of information that we do not allow to be included in the data export that is made available to the public. So never mind wh

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> Can you and Kurt come up with a proposal that doesn't abandon our > fabulously useful and marketable air of neutrality? Yes, good thought, I think we could. After all, it is a sort of cemetery. Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 20:30, David Gerard wrote: > >> 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : >> >>> Hard to keep things straight isn't it when the object is to make a point. >>> I speak of Red China, still controlled by Mao's heirs. >>> >> Well, yes. (Who thankf

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 20:30, David Gerard wrote: > 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > > Hard to keep things straight isn't it when the object is to make a point. > > I speak of Red China, still controlled by Mao's heirs. > > Well, yes. (Who thankfully are not gross incompetents at the actual > mana

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:53, you wrote: >> I posit that the "memorial project" is not essential. I think it >> would drain resources from our mission. >> >> Jon > As I explained in the proposal (again, did you read

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions

Well, yes. (Who thankfully are not gross incompetents at the actual management to the degree he was.) And it turns out that remaining politically neutral is one of the best things we can do as well as the cheapest and easiest, because we have the moral high ground and we're not going away. And as e

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:53, you wrote: > > I posit that the "memorial project" is not essential. I think it > would drain resources from our mission. > > Jon As I explained in the proposal (again, did you read the proposal?) it is an essential part of the WMF's mission. -- Kurt Weber ht

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008/12/25 geni : > I'd more be thinking of handing over a stack of hard drives to > wikimedia chapter reps at wikimania . 2TB external hard disk, gzip on the fly (gzipping is faster than the network - remember, Wikimedia gzips data going between internal servers in the same rack because CPU is

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008/12/25 David Gerard : > 2008/12/25 Brian : > >> But at least this would allow Erik, researchers and archivers to get the >> dump faster than they can get the compressed version. The number of people >> who want this can't be > 100, can it? It would need to be metered by an API >> I guess. > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Brian wrote: > I'm also curious, what is the estimated amount of time to decompress this > thing? Somewhere around 1 week, I'd guesstimate. -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org U

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008/12/25 Brian : > But at least this would allow Erik, researchers and archivers to get the > dump faster than they can get the compressed version. The number of people > who want this can't be > 100, can it? It would need to be metered by an API > I guess. Maybe we can run a sneakernet of DLT

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > Hard to keep things straight isn't it when the object is to make a point. > I speak of Red China, still controlled by Mao's heirs. Well, yes. (Who thankfully are not gross incompetents at the actual management to the degree he was.) And it turns out that remaining poli

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

I'm also curious, what is the estimated amount of time to decompress this thing? On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Brian wrote: > But at least this would allow Erik, researchers and archivers to get the > dump faster than they can get the compressed version. The number of people > who want this c

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

But at least this would allow Erik, researchers and archivers to get the dump faster than they can get the compressed version. The number of people who want this can't be > 100, can it? It would need to be metered by an API I guess. Cheers, Brian On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Robert Rohde wro

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/25 geni : > 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : >>> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial >>> project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the >>> motives behind this proposal. >> I think half a dozen might do, one for the victims of Hitler,

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > >> Oh, but we are, just by what we do. And the mass murders of the >> twentieth >> century would have made short work of us. In fact, in the last regime >> controlled by them Wikipedia is blocked. > > > Controlled by the Soviets, who I understand were the subject of the

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 geni wrote: > 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : >>> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a >>> memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his >>> concerns about the motives behind this proposal. >> I think half a dozen mi

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Brian wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I'm not sure I agree with you.. > > (3 terabytes / 10 megabytes) seconds in days = 3.64 days > > That is, on my university connection I could download the dump in just a few > days. The only cost is bandwidth. While you might be corre

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : >> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial >> project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the >> motives behind this proposal. > > I think half a dozen might do, one for the victims of Hitler, one for the > victims of

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > Oh, but we are, just by what we do. And the mass murders of the twentieth > century would have made short work of us. In fact, in the last regime > controlled by them Wikipedia is blocked. Controlled by the Soviets, who I understand were the subject of the proposed wik

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> I must agree with Mr Gerard, and taking that position, or any position > by the Foundation is a road I don't want to see WMF go down. I don't > want WMF to alienate anyone... anyone. The information must be free, > and global. For everyone. > > Please don't intrepet this message as my defendi

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gerard wrote: > 2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > >> If we stood for something, it might serve to invigorate. > > > You mean, taking a particular political position? I don't see that > in the mission. > > > - d. > > _

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial > project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the > motives behind this proposal. I think half a dozen might do, one for the victims of Hitler, one for the victims of Stalin, one for the victims of P

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Hi Robert, I'm not sure I agree with you.. (3 terabytes / 10 megabytes) seconds in days = 3.64 days That is, on my university connection I could download the dump in just a few days. The only cost is bandwidth. On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:0

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > Each of the millions who were starved, imprisoned, tortured, or killed > has a unique story. Each story is more significant and educational than a > Wikipedia article on Hitler or Stalin. The same applies to the Sep11 wiki. Why was that moved offsite? - d. _

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/25 Fred Bauder : > If we stood for something, it might serve to invigorate. You mean, taking a particular political position? I don't see that in the mission. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: h

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

>>> >>> The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage >>> people around the world to collect and develop educational >>> content under a free license >>> or in the public >>> domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally. >

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:25, Jon wrote: >>> I don't think it is something we should focus on. Let us focus >>> on our existing projects, perfect them. Reference my earlier >>> rationale. >> >> Given that th

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fred Bauder wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >>> On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial proj

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >>> On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:43, Phil Nash wrote: Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a >> memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his >> concerns about the motives behind thi

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >>> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a >>> memorial >>> project for all disasters. >> >> And what, in principle, is wrong with

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:25, Jon wrote: >> I don't think it is something we should focus on. Let us focus >> on our existing projects, perfect them. Reference my earlier >> rationale. > > Given that these are all v

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Brian wrote: > Interesting. I realize that the dump is extremely large, but if 7zip is > really the bottleneck then to me the solutions are straightforward: > > 1. Offer an uncompressed version of the dump for download. Bandwidth is > cheap and downloads can be res

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:43, Phil Nash wrote: >>> Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a > memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his > concerns about the motives behind this propo

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 19:25, Jon wrote: > > I don't think it is something we should focus on. Let us focus on our > existing projects, perfect them. Reference my earlier rationale. Given that these are all volunteer projects, those more interested in improving existing projects will do

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:43, Phil Nash wrote: >> Geoffrey Plourde wrote: Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his co

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:43, Phil Nash wrote: > Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > >> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a > >> memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his > >> concerns about the motives behind this proposal. > > I'm in some agreement her

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a >> memorial project for all disasters. > > And what, in principle, is wrong with that? > I also

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a >> memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his >> concerns about the motives behind this proposal. I'm in some agreement here because my experience of UK charity law is that it is not gene

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial >> project for all disasters. > > And what, in principle, is wrong with that? > Kurt,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

2008/12/25 Erik Zachte : > Hi Brian, Brion once explained to me that the post processing of the dump is > the main bottleneck. > Compressing articles with tens of thousands of revisions is a major resource > drain. > Right now every dump is even compressed twice, into bzip2 (for wider > platform c

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:12, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial > project for all disasters. And what, in principle, is wrong with that? -- Kurt Weber http://blog.kurtweber.us __

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

Well where will it stop? If we have a project, we should have a memorial project for all disasters. I echo Mr. Bimmler in his concerns about the motives behind this proposal. From: Fred Bauder To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, December

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Also, I wonder if these folks have been consulted for their expertise in compressing wikipedia data: http://prize.hutter1.net/ On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Brian wrote: > Interesting. I realize that the dump is extremely large, but if 7zip is > really the bottleneck then to me the solutions

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Interesting. I realize that the dump is extremely large, but if 7zip is really the bottleneck then to me the solutions are straightforward: 1. Offer an uncompressed version of the dump for download. Bandwidth is cheap and downloads can be resumed, unlike this dump process 2. The WMF offers a servi

[Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Hi Brian, Brion once explained to me that the post processing of the dump is the main bottleneck. Compressing articles with tens of thousands of revisions is a major resource drain. Right now every dump is even compressed twice, into bzip2 (for wider platform compatibility) and 7zip format (for 2

[Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

John: > For the "Page Views" data on some projects, the May data > looks unusually lower than the June data; > could it be that the May data isn't > a complete month for some projects? Yes, that is indeed the case. I will omit the incomplete month on subsequent reports. Erik Zachte __

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you Erik! Erik Zachte wrote: > New wikistats reports have been published today, for the first time since > May 2008. The reports have been generated on the new wikistats server > ‘Bayes’, which is operational since a few weeks. The dump process

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Nice work Erik! I am still quite shocked at the amount of time the english wikipedia takes to dump, especially since we seem to have close links to folks who work at mysql. To me it seems that one of two things must be the case: 1. Wikipedia has outgrown mysql, in the sense that, while we can put

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

Thank you Erik! For the "Page Views" data on some projects, the May data looks unusually lower than the June data; could it be that the May data isnt a complete month for some projects? http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/EN/Tab

[Foundation-l] Wikistats is back

New wikistats reports have been published today, for the first time since May 2008. The reports have been  generated on the new wikistats server ‘Bayes’, which is operational since a few weeks. The dump process itself had been restarted some weeks earlier, new dumps are now available for all 700+ w

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

> 2008/12/24 Michael Bimmler : > >> A project which is motivated in such a way cannot possibly be anything >> else than biased...and indeed, the very concept of memorials is >> biased: Why should we have a memorial of the victims of Soviet >> Repression, when we don't have a memorial of Nazi victim

Re: [Foundation-l] Europeana

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, 24/12/2008 21:12: > Interesting material, definitely. But PD; I think not... Europeana is only a portal and metadata search engine: content is actually in other sites (e.g.: http://www.photo.rmn.fr/cf/htm/CPicZ.aspx?E=2C6NU045OU4Q), which terms of use is relevant only. Ne

Re: [Foundation-l] Europeana

Milos Rancic wrote: > Europeana (http://www.europeana.eu/) is working again. I think that it > has a lot of useful (PD) materials. > > Interesting material, definitely. But PD; I think not... http://www.europeana.eu/portal/termsofservice.html Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaau-l] CC licensing implemented for the ABS

w00t! Perhaps we can do a data dump of .au localities as well to be combed through by en:wp editors ... (no, NOT making rambot articles automatically, human consideration ;-) - d. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jessica Coates Date: 2008/12/23 Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] CC licen

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On 12/24/08, David Gerard wrote: > 2008/12/24 Michael Bimmler : > >> A project which is motivated in such a way cannot possibly be anything >> else than biased...and indeed, the very concept of memorials is >> biased: Why should we have a memorial of the victims of Soviet >> Repression, when we do

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 11:02, David Gerard wrote: > > Yes. However, it could be a valuable wiki to create privately. Generic > hosting is (a) really cheap (b) often includes MediaWiki out the box. > The wiki is unlikely to be vastly overloaded, so cheap hosting would > do for a start. > > Se

Re: [Foundation-l] Europeana

2008/12/24 Milos Rancic : > Europeana (http://www.europeana.eu/) is working again. I think that it > has a lot of useful (PD) materials. Looks like it *could* be an interesting project. Any pointers to good places to start looking? - d. ___ foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008/12/24 Michael Bimmler : > A project which is motivated in such a way cannot possibly be anything > else than biased...and indeed, the very concept of memorials is > biased: Why should we have a memorial of the victims of Soviet > Repression, when we don't have a memorial of Nazi victims, vict

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] Betawiki staff thank you and season greetings

Hoi, Given that some of our Betawiki localisers have not provided us with their e-mail address and given that this is an open call to contribute to our end of your localisation effort, I forward this mail to you all. Help us to end 2008 with a bang and in the process you can help yourself or the W

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > On Wednesday 24 December 2008 03:10, Delirium wrote: >> Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> > I have submitted a new project proposal, at >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Soviet_Repressions_Memorial >> >> Isn't this the sort of th

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 03:10, Delirium wrote: > Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > > I have submitted a new project proposal, at > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Soviet_Repressions_Memorial > > Isn't this the sort of thing we've been in the business of slowly > getting out of, with the

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008/12/24 Robert Rohde : > So, if not visibility, then what is really going on. In my opinion, > if you want someone to read something, personalizing it is a very good > idea. I think describing it as a personal message and putting a face > to it, provides engagement and gets people to pay atte

Re: [Foundation-l] The new iteration

If the list is dead, it is because there is nothing to discuss at this time. This isn't a forum. Someone will bring a new topic in as appropriate, which is far preferable to trying to keep this list active and clog our inboxes with less relevant discussions, surely? Milos Rancic wrote: > Anybod

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Within the last 24 hours, we've raised a total of $283,859. That's > more than 10 times as much as we made during a typical weekday in the > last few days of the fundraiser, and the single highest day on record > for community gifts. We don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

It works and isn't terribly invasive, and realistically financial difficulty will find sympathy right now. I think it's brilliant. -Original Message- From: "Erik Moeller" Subj: Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal Date: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:00 pm Size: 3K To: "Wikimedia Fou

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: > I have submitted a new project proposal, at > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Soviet_Repressions_Memorial > Isn't this the sort of thing we've been in the business of slowly getting out of, with the move offsite of the September 11 memorial wiki? The cons

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phas e 2

Casey Brown wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:57 PM, effe iets anders > wrote: > >> Hm, btw, where was again that list with all incoming donations? >> >> Lodewijk >> >> > > There are many statistics pages, see the "Contributions/Fundraiser" > section on