Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-17 Thread andrei apostolache
Thanks Gordon for giving us some hints about Falcon's roadmap. Good luck to you and your team and lets hope falcon's quality will reach at the developers expectation. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > > Falcon ... will support AS3 only, with no support for MXML. > > This is

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Dave Fisher
On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > On 2/16/2012 11:47 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: >> On Thursday, February 16, 2012, David Arno wrote: >>> On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 05:34 -0800, Carol Frampton wrote: Adobe's fiscal year starts in Dec so Q4 is Sept-Nov. >>> Not wishing to shoot the

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 2/16/2012 1:00 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Falcon ... will support AS3 only, with no support for MXML. This is incorrect. Falcon *already* supports enough of MXML to compile a correctly-running version of Checkinapp, the test app that is part of the SDK. Falcon's support for .mxml, .css, and .

RE: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Gordon Smith
> Falcon ... will support AS3 only, with no support for MXML. This is incorrect. Falcon *already* supports enough of MXML to compile a correctly-running version of Checkinapp, the test app that is part of the SDK. Falcon's support for .mxml, .css, and .properties still needs lots of polish -- e

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread David Arno
On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 08:47 -0800, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > Mind communicating that last thought in a clear fashion? :P I don't > understand what your complaint is, Carol is simply explaining Adobe's time > frame, what problem so you see in such a simple statement? If one uses the abbreviation "Q4" w

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 2/16/2012 11:47 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: On Thursday, February 16, 2012, David Arno wrote: On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 05:34 -0800, Carol Frampton wrote: Adobe's fiscal year starts in Dec so Q4 is Sept-Nov. Not wishing to shoot the messenger here, but this really does sum up Adobe's inability to

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 17/02/2012 01:47, Omar Gonzalez wrote: P I don't understand what your complaint is, Carol is simply explaining Adobe's time frame, what problem so you see in such a simple statem I think he is saying that its marketing-wise not a great idea to use Q4 which is usually interpreted as OCT-DEC.

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thursday, February 16, 2012, David Arno wrote: > On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 05:34 -0800, Carol Frampton wrote: >> Adobe's fiscal year starts in Dec so Q4 is Sept-Nov. > Not wishing to shoot the messenger here, but this really does sum up > Adobe's inability to think and communicate in a clear fashio

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread David Arno
On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 05:34 -0800, Carol Frampton wrote: > Adobe's fiscal year starts in Dec so Q4 is Sept-Nov. Not wishing to shoot the messenger here, but this really does sum up Adobe's inability to think and communicate in a clear fashion... :( David.

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread David Francis Buhler
I believe Google plans to offer Brightly as a cloud-based IDE, which may be one of the reasons the compiler also exists in the Cloud. It's rather neat, if I may say so. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 16/02/2012 21:49, Jarosław Szczepankiewicz wrote: > >> Also Dart -

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Rui Silva
> From: "Carol Frampton" > The compiler team had absolutely no cuts last November. It was a separate > team from the Flex frameworks team. > > Carol > I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying Carol. Rui

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Carol Frampton
Two clarifications. Adobe's fiscal year starts in Dec so Q4 is Sept-Nov. The compiler team had absolutely no cuts last November. It was a separate team from the Flex frameworks team. Carol On 2/16/12 7 :25AM, "Rui Silva" wrote: > >> From: "David Arno" >> >> This is not a viable timescale fo

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 16/02/2012 22:00, Roland Zwaga wrote: he libraries needed to create an AS3 based compiler are already available, there is as3commons-asblock as3commons-asblocks is interesting but not a bit optimized and consumes a lot of memory. yours Martin.

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Roland Zwaga
On 16 February 2012 13:55, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 16/02/2012 21:49, Jarosław Szczepankiewicz wrote: > >> this is my personal opinion, but what's the purpose of another flex >> compiler from open source, especially written in as3? >> > > The purpose of a compiler written in AS3 is that we ca

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 16/02/2012 21:55, Martin Heidegger wrote: ..instead of whenever necessary... "instead of" should read "or" ...

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 16/02/2012 21:49, Jarosław Szczepankiewicz wrote: this is my personal opinion, but what's the purpose of another flex compiler from open source, especially written in as3? The purpose of a compiler written in AS3 is that we can compile code on the fly instead of whenever necessary. This abi

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Piergiorgio Niero
i'm definitely in. as3 and mxml to swf is a must, compile to js would be great for webapps, but I'd like to see this multitarget approach targeting other platforms too, expecially c\c++. if flash\air doesn't run in the platform my project is targeting i would be enabled to reuse my code and convert

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Jarosław Szczepankiewicz
this is my personal opinion, but what's the purpose of another flex compiler from open source, especially written in as3? - will it be faster than mxmlc / fcsh / falcon? - will it better support multicore architectures / really big projects? - will it produce better / optimised optocode than mxmlc

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
Also: There is the haXe compiler that already compiles a AS3 like language to swf and javascript. I guess it would be possible in less than 5 months to add AS3, metadata and xml support in that mix. yours Martin. On 16/02/2012 21:25, Rui Silva wrote: From: "David Arno" This is not a viable t

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread andrei apostolache
I really agree with Rui. I believe it will be a waste of time, because even if Adobe will donate it at the beginning of 2013, I'm pretty sure that when they will have a stable solution it will be provided to all developers, even if is only AS3 and not MXML. And if your target is mobile or web, you

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 16/02/2012 21:25, Rui Silva wrote: Though I'm generally available for any work that this group decides to undertake, I really do not see this as a viable solution. Do you truly believe that we (considering most of us are Flex developers with little or no expertise in compiler development) co

re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Rui Silva
> From: "David Arno" > > This is not a viable timescale for Apache Flex in my opinion. Therefore > I feel we have no choice but to ignore Falcon and to start developing > our own compiler with immediate effect. I therefore want to get an idea > as to who, if anyone, here is interested in getting

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Martin Heidegger
Today I played around with a AS3 As3 compiler yours Martin.

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread Roland Zwaga
> > > This is not a viable timescale for Apache Flex in my opinion. Therefore > > I feel we have no choice but to ignore Falcon and to start developing > > our own compiler with immediate effect. I therefore want to get an idea > > as to who, if anyone, here is interested in getting involved in thi

Re: Time for an Apache Flex compiler.

2012-02-16 Thread almansour belleh blanco
2012/2/16 David Arno : > Yesterday Adobe published their "whitepaper" on the future of Flex. In > it, they state that they'll be contributing the Falcon compiler to > Apache sometime between October and December. This compiler will support > AS3 only, with no support for MXML. So when we get the co